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I'm your guest host Dean alietto today

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we are being visited sorry I have to go

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there

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um by someone who's no stranger to

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podcast UFO listeners UFO researcher

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Alejandro Rojas Alejandra has been a

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voice of reason in the enigmatic field

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of UFO's operating summer between UFO

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Advocate and that guy who tells kids

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that there's no Santa Claus because the

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evidence just is too flawed Alejandro is

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also the head of research and content at

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Enigma Labs which is uh he's building a

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repository for cataloging scoring and

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crowdsourcing UFO incidences as well as

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exposing hoaxes he's also the Consulting

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producer on my upcoming docu-series and

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today he's going to give us the exciting

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highlights from the just completed

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International UFO Congress convention

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also this week don't forget to check out

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Charles lair's blog which will be behind

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the scenes of UFO cover-ups but before

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we begin and pull out Mr Rojas there's

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someone special who I know Dave Altman's

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gonna be very excited about uh who'd

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like to say hi back with a stronger

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heart your hostess with the mostest

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ladies and gentlemen and all pronouns in

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between we bring you Martin Willis 2.0

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thank you yes I'm all rebuilt and

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um I'm really feeling good you know but

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I I gotta tell you as my friend Phil

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says some can no longer be a shirtless

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ah so it was kind of slow anyway so you

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know what door closes a window opens

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that's right

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no uh I do want to say to everyone out

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there the outpouring that I've had the

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hundreds of emails have had from people

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and the messages in all different ways

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thank you so much for your kind words of

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uh I I think it really helped me through

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everyone

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um I I don't know I I I'm in I improve

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so quickly after the surgery and we'll

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say next week I'm going to be on with um

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with you and uh John Burroughs I'm I'm

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not cognitive 100 but I'm I'm really

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getting there quickly uh and and every

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which way so

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um it's been it's been quite a journey

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and I I uh hope no one has to go through

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what I did um that's listening you're

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talking about the heart surgery are you

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talking about having to listen to me for

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three weeks oh yeah that was the worst

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I also want to say thank you Dean

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um I had thought about

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um you know I I never skipped a week and

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when I had to get rushed to the hospital

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and all that

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um I posted I'm sorry no show this week

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without any reason why and then I

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thought well what I'm what am I going to

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do it's going to be at least a month

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before I come back should I just have no

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shows and then

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um I thought uh I thought of Alejandro

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and you both at the same time but

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Alejandro I know had the UFO Congress

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coming up and then you have been such a

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great friend these last number of years

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that I reached out to you and you said

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sure and uh what a guy you are thank you

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that's that's the aliens right there

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saying they agree 100

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um the opportunity and also your

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listeners are phenomenal and I know a

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good chunk of them so that's just been

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you know fantastic to uh to be an

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extension of you Martin in any way I can

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and um so I'm just really really happy

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to see you looking so great thank you

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cheeks look even Rosy well that was

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makeup but yeah that's it yeah I was in

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makeup for a little while before yeah

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um so I'm gonna be back next week Dean

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and I are going to do the show together

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and then I'm gonna baby step my way back

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to doing uh so with John Burroughs next

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week and uh James Fox the week after

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I'll be on my own then hopefully the

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training wheels will be off but anyway

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all right you have a great show tonight

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with Alejandro thank you brother be well

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talk soon take care thanks

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all right so here we go here is

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Alejandro

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it's me

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good I'm glad it's not someone else

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how are you man I'm doing pretty good

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always it's great to see Martin because

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uh you know if if he really had if it

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had been worse there would have been

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kind of a string of heart attacks I

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definitely when I got that text that he

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was headed to the hospital had my own

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heart palpitations

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um it was it was a scary moment thank

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God that he's doing doing so well yeah

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well um you guys have always been an

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awesome uh tag team with this as well

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and so um I I kind of feel like it's a

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community that that came together and

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rallied behind him and uh you know 10

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years is a long time and you've been at

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this a long time as well so um yeah

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we're here we are we are back here we

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are now you did forget one of my titles

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because I've got so many but I gotta add

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this one just because I'm so proud of it

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and the team but also a board member and

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the director of PR for the scientific

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organization also known as the SCU now

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you did have to fit in a couple witty uh

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jokes there and I I really appreciate

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them they're very funny

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great thank you I appreciate that

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Dive Right into you're fresh from

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finishing this year's

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um International UFO Congress convention

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what's unique about this one is that you

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had been shut down for two years

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yeah and just on the last one was 2019.

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so this is your first in person so let's

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start off with that what was that like

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it was great it was much smaller because

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do a 2022 conference but you know covid

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wasn't over uh you know many will argue

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we're still not out of the woods but

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um so it was on hold uh it was kind of

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last minute so she kind of had to put

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together things very quickly and uh

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bit of a smaller group but it was kind

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of nice because it was more intimate you

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of an opportunity to to mingle with

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people and one of the great things that

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was have a costume party Halloween dance

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Ball but it turned out to be so much fun

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you know with Randy Nickerson who else

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Travis Walton was on the dance floor

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um I can't remember but there were a

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full dance floor of partying it was it

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was just so much fun so you'll have to

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that he did come dressed as one of the

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Men in Black but he forgot his black tie

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shades and everybody thought he would he

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was like a rock star or maybe like a

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Hollywood guy or James nobody was quite

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sure or all the above no one was quite

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sure what he was going with uh I think

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the last thing people thought was Men in

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Black as he's uh always got that huge

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smile and he looks too friendly to be a

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a man in Black so but uh he was looking

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good that's for sure

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different hotel with a lake so it was

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really uh you know in a park so it was

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really nice the hotel is short staffed

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local food trucks who we kind of said

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hey you know we've got a lot of people

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at this conference if you want to you

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know make sure you're over there during

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lunch and dinner and they did so it was

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everybody loves food trucks so nice uh

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kind of different and fun

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that intimacy and you know what's great

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about a smaller venue is you just you

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spend a lot more time with the speakers

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you know you're amongst them uh you

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don't have to scramble to get to talk to

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them uh you know so you really get to

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have a lot more conversation and

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interaction with the speakers and so so

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um but otherwise you know the speakers

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of great talks um like a hang stuck Dr

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Michael Masters Katie page like I talked

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about earlier John Ramirez uh who I

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didn't know most of these people have

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known for years uh John Ramirez who you

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know is kind of new to seeing former CIA

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uh official he broke down kind of uh all

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the different government agencies that

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are involved and kind of helped people

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understand the legislation

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um that's coming up and what agencies

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will be involved and how

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um so that was very educational and

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interesting we were very lucky to have

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him I'm in the combination with him and

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Brian Bender you know a senior National

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um for Politico someone who's also very

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plugged in to DC uh military and the

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lawmaker side uh or as John Ramirez put

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uh Congressional uh branches uh

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it was very helpful uh to really get a

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lot of insight I think that you can't

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get anywhere else other than Maybe

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podcasts like this

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um into what's going on right now and

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there's a lot of nuance there's a lot of

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it's very complicated and I think people

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like to boil it down too this is drip

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disclosure and

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um I think that that does this word that

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gets thrown out there but uh you know

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and it's an idea that you know like

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there's some kind of Secret cabal in an

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office that's planning all of this and

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really if you look at the details and

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actually do the research and break it

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down that's not what's going on at all

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and the reason that I really like to

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focus on what's really going on is

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because there's a lot of people that are

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involved with what's gone on and it um

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kind of undermines the importance of the

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work that people like uh Chris Mellon or

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Louise Elizondo Louise Alexander of

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course being the guy who ran the

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Pentagon program and Chris melon being

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someone who's worked in government and

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intelligence even for you know the house

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committee

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um

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and has worked on Black Project or at

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least oversight of black projects you

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know it undermines the the important

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work that they did to really get us to

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this point of openness

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yeah well um it's it's interesting

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because as opposed to even when I went

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there the first time which was 2018.

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there's this this feeling of kind of

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legitimacy

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that that was just starting because

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literally the festival was was around

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February when I went to Convention and

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that was you know just a short three

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months after 2017 but it hadn't really

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reverberated it it kind of build and

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became the Juggernaut that it was later

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on but um in 2019 a year later I felt

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again I felt like wow this is now kind

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of um you know I felt like people were

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throwing their shoulders back a little

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bit more like we're feeling a little

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more proud you know that that we've been

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at this for a while and and yes this is

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now legit what we've been telling you

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all along may actually be kind of true

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and so when you're in that situation you

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have people that are coming out like

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John Ramirez

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uh that's someone that I really want to

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talk to

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um and and I want to hear how his was

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there but um did you get a sense of of

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that can you do you feel like you you're

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you can see how it's charted how the

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people have changed or the guest

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speakers or the new people coming in

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since

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uh 2017 and and yeah I mean John Ramirez

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and Brian Bender are two examples of

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people that have gotten involved since

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2017.

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um and to your point it brings an air of

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credibility uh and uh be

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not just credibility but I mean both of

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these individuals have full-on tackled

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this topic uh and try to understand kind

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of how it it's operating how you know

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it's disseminating

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um through the government and how they

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are reacting

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um because I think that's very

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interesting and they're they're both

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feeling unencumbered you know by stigma

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to do that what's really important I

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think

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no doubt you know Brian was able to talk

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about at first how how kind of strange

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it was and how he was kind of pushing

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the envelope at Politico by continuing

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to cover this topic but it was in his

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wheelhouse it was legit because you know

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he was covering what Congress people

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were saying um you know and their their

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briefings that they were getting these

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briefings and their reactions to the

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briefings

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um and then John you know coming in kind

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of as a retiree kind of feeling more

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done and explaining everything that's

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going on so uh or at least from his

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perspective

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um you know we didn't have before so

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it's really interesting and you know

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what's important about this is that we

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do have

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um government agencies getting involved

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uh really including NASA and right now

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kind of in a um

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analysis mode they're trying to

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understand the landscape you know how

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they'll get involved and what they'll do

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and how they'll analyze things and

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there's so many difficult aspects to it

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um and you know to speak to that and one

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of the things John talked about is this

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kind of evolution of groups so you know

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we had from ASAP to

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and I'm gonna just go through these this

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alphabet so without explaining them if

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that's okay uh at first just because to

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show how there's many of them from ASAP

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to atip to the UAP task force or uaptf

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and then to uh kind of what has been

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referred to as aim stock which had its

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own couple of acronyms a new one that

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was introduced in the Congressional

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hearings a few months ago and then of

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course now we're at this new acronym

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arrow and we're seeing in the

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legislation other names and titles and

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perhaps even other acronyms will pop out

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so really it demonstrates I think uh how

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uh you know there's so much activity

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going on like how do we handle this what

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do we do where do we put this group

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um where does it fit and I think what

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people don't realize is you know that

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this is a sensitive topic for the

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military in that they uh there's got to

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be some amount of secrecy uh for example

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let's say you're a guy you know uh an

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unidentified as Spider let's say the

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Nimitz case uh and then unidentified

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spotted you don't know what it is you

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don't know uh how it's being propelled

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um you don't know whose it is if it

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demonstrates a technology that has some

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sort of intelligence behind it

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um you know your first assumption needs

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to be it's an adversary a human

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adversary so you need to do the research

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and the work to figure out if that's the

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case and if it is the case how do we get

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one how do we back engineer it from what

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we've seen and then once you get to the

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point and this is the hard part where

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and how do you get to the point to say

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that that's not human

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and you're going to want to be one

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thousand percent sure that that is not

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Chinese or Russian before you say it's

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not Chinese or Russian because there's

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whole this whole counterintelligence

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world and that's why this is fitting

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into the intelligence Arena right now

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because you know we if let's say we did

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find out it's Chinese we don't want to

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tell the Chinese that we've spotted one

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of their devices and we're figuring out

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what it is you know Alejandro I'm sorry

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I'm going to pause you work we've been

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having a little bit of mic issues and

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you're getting pixelated

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um

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and so as soon as I say that you start

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to look a little bit better but we might

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have to have you call back in because

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it's not just your mic it's the image

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and everything

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um go ahead and try it now

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hello

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there you go okay we're working out

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otherwise we may need to get you closer

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to the router yeah yeah we're good okay

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sorry go ahead you were talking about uh

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yeah I've got full bars here

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okay four bars baby yeah but yeah uh so

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yeah so um where was I so yeah you know

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even if we do know it's Chinese or

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Russian we don't want them to say that

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so

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um

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so there's just there's a lot of nuance

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a lot of difficulty there that's why I

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think you know it becomes difficult for

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the military to share a lot of detail

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and figure out what to share

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but the benefit of what's going on and

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where I think we really need to pay

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attention is the science that's what's

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so exciting about SCU and NASA getting

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involved is that science by its nature

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is transparent whatever the conspiracy

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theorists may feel

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um you know science doesn't work without

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transparency when you write a paper and

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I think this goes uh you know back to

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the Ukraine or even some of the ASAP

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material when you are making an argument

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a scientific argument that you know this

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metal is unusual or that we're spotting

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UFOs

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um you write a paper that makes the

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strongest scientific argument then you

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release that paper and it gets credit

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get scrutinized by your peers that's how

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it works so when Abby Loeb is

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scrutinizing the Ukrainian paper that's

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his job that's what he's supposed to do

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that's how science work that's his duty

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as a scientist

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um and you know what we're watching

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there is science doing its work and and

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you know maybe this is a good precursor

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because in the future there's going to

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be continuous continue to be UAP Papers

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written and of course you're going to

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have a lot of uh enthusiasts for saying

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hey that's definitely a UFO

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um but uh you know why are these

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scientists saying it's not well you got

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to read the paper and look at the

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details and see what they're arguing and

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you know that's how science works and

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that's where we're really gonna I think

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make exciting

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um discoveries because as that process

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goes on there will be those cases that

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will be more difficult to explain and

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that's when we'll have a consensus that

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hey guys this really is a weird case we

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really don't know what this one is

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um and then you're gonna be you know

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that establishes a scientific

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um you know um well they call it like a

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theory or a theorem but that establishes

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that uh we've got a genuine mystery on

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our hands yeah some of the things that

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that I keep coming back to again and

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again is um like as an example Randy

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nickerson's on a Punk podcast and

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there's this guy who is a scientist on

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it and he talks about you know Dave

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fraver and and these other Pilots that

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have seen these um these crafts craft

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and he says the scientist said

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um

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you know these guys meaning fraver and

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Pilots you know they're not scientists

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so they don't really know what they're

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saying

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and my question if I'd been there would

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have been

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are you a pilot Mr scientist or you're

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not a pilot

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so you've never been up there and you

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don't know the difference between 250

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yards and you know 2.5 miles

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so it's it's kind of like some people

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are trying to take ownership of this

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like like as Neil deGrasse Tyson he

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seems to project

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when these things are real

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I'll let you know

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until then just assume that you know

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these are just unique little sightings

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people there's so much stuff we don't

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know about the universe blah blah and

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everything else gets thrown in

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um and so I feel like when we're talking

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about a government like the USA power

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government that says it isn't us and it

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isn't our adversaries and it's not our

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allies

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that's a clear statement that is like a

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conscious decision to do that's not

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something that as you know is thrown out

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lightly and so the conspiracy theorists

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may you know pull up a bowl of this and

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Chow Down and say well

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now that they've figured out how to

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create technology that flies around like

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this

548
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:38,460
it's the perfect you know moment to say

549
00:22:42,890 --> 00:22:40,020
what you're going to be seeing from now

550
00:22:44,750 --> 00:22:42,900
on we are all identifying it as UFO it

551
00:22:45,770 --> 00:22:44,760
has nothing to do with us

552
00:22:48,289 --> 00:22:45,780
um so if it's something that's

553
00:22:50,750 --> 00:22:48,299
weaponized if one of these UFOs start to

554
00:22:55,070 --> 00:22:50,760
drop something and we see something you

555
00:22:57,590 --> 00:22:55,080
know where they're doing destruction

556
00:22:59,450 --> 00:22:57,600
for me that that's when I go okay now we

557
00:23:02,029 --> 00:22:59,460
might have a a thread there in the

558
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:02,039
conspiracy theory but until then it

559
00:23:06,470 --> 00:23:04,020
seems like they're asking for for help

560
00:23:08,810 --> 00:23:06,480
and and you know more importantly when I

561
00:23:11,270 --> 00:23:08,820
look at these people that are testifying

562
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:11,280
everything I'm going okay that was last

563
00:23:15,590 --> 00:23:12,419
gym

564
00:23:17,570 --> 00:23:15,600
and maybe you can answer this last June

565
00:23:20,029 --> 00:23:17,580
we had the hearing the US Congress

566
00:23:21,470 --> 00:23:20,039
hearing so since the ridicule factor

567
00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,480
which was mentioned four times has been

568
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,000
removed where are we now are we seeing

569
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:26,039
any more footage coming from our

570
00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:28,260
servicemen and service women that we

571
00:23:31,490 --> 00:23:29,700
didn't see before because of the

572
00:23:32,990 --> 00:23:31,500
ridicule factor and how is that going up

573
00:23:34,850 --> 00:23:33,000
because I would still think that would

574
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:34,860
be filtered through the government

575
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:38,240
through the you know their superiors

576
00:23:43,490 --> 00:23:41,400
so uh as far as video and that's kind of

577
00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:43,500
what I mean too uh with the secrecy

578
00:23:49,090 --> 00:23:46,679
Factor so John Greenwald you know I sent

579
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:49,100
him Freedom of Information

580
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:51,840
work lately where he got the Navy to

581
00:23:57,409 --> 00:23:54,840
admit we do have 22 other UAP videos

582
00:23:59,330 --> 00:23:57,419
however we're not releasing them you're

583
00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:59,340
never going to see him was kind of the

584
00:24:03,710 --> 00:24:01,440
message that he got

585
00:24:05,870 --> 00:24:03,720
um will we never see them who knows it

586
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:05,880
would take uh Congress can certainly say

587
00:24:11,510 --> 00:24:08,880
show that to the public but you know

588
00:24:14,450 --> 00:24:11,520
what happens like in the last hearings

589
00:24:16,370 --> 00:24:14,460
under the classified or the secret you

590
00:24:18,529 --> 00:24:16,380
know closed doors section of the

591
00:24:20,450 --> 00:24:18,539
hearings is the military saying look

592
00:24:22,730 --> 00:24:20,460
we've got these videos here's why we

593
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:22,740
can't show these to the public and you

594
00:24:26,270 --> 00:24:24,059
know and then it's up to the Congress

595
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:26,280
people to decide uh whether they're

596
00:24:32,570 --> 00:24:29,220
going to take that expert opinions of

597
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:32,580
the people uh giving them information or

598
00:24:38,029 --> 00:24:35,340
you know work towards sharing

599
00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,039
information with the public now what's

600
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,080
interesting is even Chris Mellon who I

601
00:24:44,029 --> 00:24:42,179
mentioned earlier had earlier said

602
00:24:46,850 --> 00:24:44,039
Congress you really need to tackle this

603
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:46,860
albeit it's classified information and

604
00:24:51,230 --> 00:24:48,960
it'll probably have to be behind closed

605
00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:51,240
doors and then you know people like

606
00:24:56,750 --> 00:24:54,419
Jilla brand came forward and said no uh

607
00:24:59,390 --> 00:24:56,760
we will have them look at it but we want

608
00:25:02,930 --> 00:24:59,400
a public-facing portion of this as well

609
00:25:04,430 --> 00:25:02,940
and so they asked for the report another

610
00:25:07,310 --> 00:25:04,440
report supposed to come in the next

611
00:25:09,890 --> 00:25:07,320
couple of weeks we'll see what happens

612
00:25:12,289 --> 00:25:09,900
um so they've kind of had to say no we

613
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:12,299
want to share stuff publicly so we may

614
00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:15,600
see or may not see those videos but um

615
00:25:19,789 --> 00:25:18,780
it will kind of be a struggle there

616
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:19,799
um

617
00:25:24,289 --> 00:25:22,200
on that end I guess to answer the

618
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:24,299
question there

619
00:25:27,169 --> 00:25:25,380
um

620
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:27,179
yeah I think that answers your question

621
00:25:31,250 --> 00:25:29,400
right yeah yeah I mean I'm always

622
00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:31,260
wondering

623
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:32,880
what is that footage that they can't

624
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,460
show us Does it include a radar system

625
00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:37,620
in the foreground you know in the shot

626
00:25:41,930 --> 00:25:39,679
because it's video what is it because

627
00:25:48,590 --> 00:25:41,940
even today

628
00:25:51,950 --> 00:25:48,600
underneath the craft rivets and all yeah

629
00:25:53,210 --> 00:25:51,960
photo our video so for me I look at that

630
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:53,220
and I go well the only people that would

631
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:54,600
probably have that who are flying around

632
00:25:59,570 --> 00:25:56,400
the airspace a hell of a lot and do have

633
00:26:01,370 --> 00:25:59,580
high-end technology to monitor this

634
00:26:06,169 --> 00:26:01,380
is our government

635
00:26:09,529 --> 00:26:06,179
but exactly I I really kind of not not

636
00:26:11,269 --> 00:26:09,539
to to say well it's just this but I do

637
00:26:13,610 --> 00:26:11,279
wonder how much of this my feeling is

638
00:26:16,130 --> 00:26:13,620
that the agenda has always been probably

639
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:16,140
uh controlled and always will be by

640
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:17,400
those who are visiting doing the

641
00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:20,880
drive-bys and um and so it seems like

642
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,140
they're controlling the footage I mean

643
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:24,659
we don't hear of schoolyards yeah that

644
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
are having these Mass sightings anymore

645
00:26:31,310 --> 00:26:28,559
and yeah maybe that's because kids have

646
00:26:33,529 --> 00:26:31,320
cell phones why is that I think you make

647
00:26:35,870 --> 00:26:33,539
a really good point um you know a lot of

648
00:26:37,970 --> 00:26:35,880
the Skeptics will say you know why is

649
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,980
the footage so terrible why don't we

650
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,500
have that data and

651
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,200
um I would argue that you know we don't

652
00:26:46,789 --> 00:26:45,120
know about the nature of the phenomena

653
00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,799
or those controlling it if there's

654
00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:49,080
intelli and intelligence behind it

655
00:26:53,870 --> 00:26:51,240
especially one that is much further

656
00:26:56,210 --> 00:26:53,880
Beyond us I would imagine they would

657
00:26:58,490 --> 00:26:56,220
also understand the importance of making

658
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,500
sure we don't get enough data that if

659
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:01,200
they don't want to share uh you know

660
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:03,600
enough data where we can make a

661
00:27:08,330 --> 00:27:06,419
conclusion that about them then they can

662
00:27:10,850 --> 00:27:08,340
operate in a manner in which we don't

663
00:27:12,890 --> 00:27:10,860
gather that data and I'm starting to use

664
00:27:15,289 --> 00:27:12,900
that term and I want to get kind of get

665
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,299
back to your earlier question about data

666
00:27:20,149 --> 00:27:17,039
because that's what it really is all

667
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,159
about Gathering that data and to your

668
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:22,559
point earlier you said a scientist who

669
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,299
said you know a pilot's just a pilot

670
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:26,880
that's going a little far but he kind of

671
00:27:32,269 --> 00:27:29,880
has a little bit of a of a of a argument

672
00:27:34,990 --> 00:27:32,279
there in that you know what everybody's

673
00:27:37,610 --> 00:27:35,000
doing is gathering data scientific

674
00:27:39,789 --> 00:27:37,620
analysis of that data is different

675
00:27:41,750 --> 00:27:39,799
depending on who's looking at it

676
00:27:43,490 --> 00:27:41,760
scientists will look at the data

677
00:27:45,230 --> 00:27:43,500
differently than intelligence will look

678
00:27:47,269 --> 00:27:45,240
at it which will look at it differently

679
00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:47,279
than journalists will look at it with

680
00:27:50,330 --> 00:27:48,840
when you're a scientist you need

681
00:27:53,210 --> 00:27:50,340
scientific data you need something

682
00:27:55,490 --> 00:27:53,220
physical to work with that's why you

683
00:27:57,890 --> 00:27:55,500
know people even though some ufologists

684
00:27:59,269 --> 00:27:57,900
get mad that's why Abby Loeb is like I'm

685
00:28:00,590 --> 00:27:59,279
throwing out everything you guys have

686
00:28:03,230 --> 00:28:00,600
done because it's not good enough and

687
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:03,240
I've got to do my own when it's there's

688
00:28:07,490 --> 00:28:05,520
a scientific perspective he's exactly

689
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,500
right you know to your point you made

690
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,480
earlier the government's the only one

691
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,220
that has these systems that can really

692
00:28:15,710 --> 00:28:13,980
gather all this information that would

693
00:28:17,870 --> 00:28:15,720
be necessary for scientists but that's

694
00:28:20,510 --> 00:28:17,880
classified so scientists don't have

695
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:20,520
access to it so groups like Abby Loeb or

696
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:23,760
uapx are looking at how do we use tools

697
00:28:27,649 --> 00:28:25,860
that can gather more information so if

698
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:27,659
you saw that movie tear in the sky where

699
00:28:32,870 --> 00:28:30,900
those upx guys have a roof full of

700
00:28:35,149 --> 00:28:32,880
different equipment and that's what you

701
00:28:38,090 --> 00:28:35,159
need so if something flies over a video

702
00:28:39,950 --> 00:28:38,100
is not enough you need IR you need to

703
00:28:42,710 --> 00:28:39,960
scan it with radio you need to see if

704
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:42,720
it's emitting any radiation you need to

705
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:44,820
really try to gather as much scientific

706
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:47,039
data about that citing as possible to

707
00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:49,500
make any conclusions or figure something

708
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:52,080
out so that's what Abby Lopes doing too

709
00:28:56,450 --> 00:28:53,940
they're using systems that have never

710
00:28:58,390 --> 00:28:56,460
been used for this before now it's

711
00:29:01,310 --> 00:28:58,400
different when you get to intelligence

712
00:29:04,190 --> 00:29:01,320
when uh the military is looking at this

713
00:29:05,930 --> 00:29:04,200
from a military perspective they're

714
00:29:07,789 --> 00:29:05,940
looking at two things they're looking at

715
00:29:10,070 --> 00:29:07,799
how do we exploit these technologies

716
00:29:11,690 --> 00:29:10,080
that we're seeing and also how do we do

717
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:11,700
what is the nature of them how do we

718
00:29:16,850 --> 00:29:14,940
defend ourselves so in that Arena the

719
00:29:19,130 --> 00:29:16,860
pilot testimony is going to be extremely

720
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:19,140
important you know because this is an

721
00:29:23,630 --> 00:29:21,120
expert this is someone who's trained to

722
00:29:26,090 --> 00:29:23,640
observe who's and that's that's data

723
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:26,100
that they will be able to use more and

724
00:29:30,950 --> 00:29:28,799
the scientific Arena that the pilot can

725
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:30,960
give them pointers say here here's what

726
00:29:36,769 --> 00:29:33,720
I saw and will be able to run some

727
00:29:38,450 --> 00:29:36,779
numbers like say okay if it did what he

728
00:29:41,630 --> 00:29:38,460
said it did this is the sort of energy

729
00:29:47,029 --> 00:29:41,640
it would need this is sort of uh but you

730
00:29:49,669 --> 00:29:47,039
know he's not a um uh a machine that can

731
00:29:52,130 --> 00:29:49,679
that input and output that data so there

732
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:52,140
is a limited use that a scientists can

733
00:29:55,610 --> 00:29:53,880
use for it but then when it comes to

734
00:29:58,430 --> 00:29:55,620
journalism when you're writing for the

735
00:30:01,070 --> 00:29:58,440
general public you know then it's a even

736
00:30:03,950 --> 00:30:01,080
more compelling because it's expert this

737
00:30:06,590 --> 00:30:03,960
this pilot you know uh and I think

738
00:30:08,769 --> 00:30:06,600
that's where most of us are is chasing a

739
00:30:11,630 --> 00:30:08,779
large tic hack shaped object that can

740
00:30:14,090 --> 00:30:11,640
outclass his you know all of our jet

741
00:30:16,490 --> 00:30:14,100
fighters and really you know we'd be

742
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,500
screwed if this thing attacked

743
00:30:21,049 --> 00:30:18,960
um you know first of all military has to

744
00:30:22,490 --> 00:30:21,059
assume that could be a threat

745
00:30:24,529 --> 00:30:22,500
um people get mad though the threat

746
00:30:27,889 --> 00:30:24,539
narrative it's such a

747
00:30:30,169 --> 00:30:27,899
um it's a lack of understanding of how

748
00:30:33,289 --> 00:30:30,179
the military looks at and has to look at

749
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,299
at this the military isn't here to look

750
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:36,480
for friends the military is here for to

751
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:39,419
defend us against foes you know

752
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:42,419
um so so that's why the military is is

753
00:30:49,370 --> 00:30:46,500
using that threat um kind of perspective

754
00:30:50,930 --> 00:30:49,380
um that's their job to do that so you

755
00:30:53,810 --> 00:30:50,940
know it's going to be different across

756
00:30:57,110 --> 00:30:53,820
all of those different Arenas yeah um we

757
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,120
have a question Dr Richard uh asks how

758
00:31:02,210 --> 00:30:59,039
did the government become the be-all and

759
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:02,220
end-all of UFO investigation

760
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,640
um and I mean first blush that I don't I

761
00:31:09,529 --> 00:31:07,200
don't think they are but I think when

762
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:09,539
the government steps in it it somehow

763
00:31:12,889 --> 00:31:11,279
gets official because now they're

764
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:12,899
recognizing it even though we've

765
00:31:17,149 --> 00:31:14,520
recognized it for you know for

766
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,159
essentially 70 years plus

767
00:31:20,930 --> 00:31:19,140
what do you what's your take on that I

768
00:31:21,590 --> 00:31:20,940
would say a couple things

769
00:31:24,769 --> 00:31:21,600
um

770
00:31:26,210 --> 00:31:24,779
first of all uh

771
00:31:28,130 --> 00:31:26,220
there's

772
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:28,140
they have more capability one of the

773
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,820
things that we've had a problem with in

774
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,220
this field is a lack of resources

775
00:31:36,830 --> 00:31:34,799
there's very little money

776
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,840
um and there's very little expertise and

777
00:31:41,269 --> 00:31:39,000
those experts that we do have have

778
00:31:43,070 --> 00:31:41,279
limited resource and time they can't do

779
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:43,080
this during their day job you know

780
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,020
they're doing it on off times so

781
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:47,760
um like groups like The SCU you know

782
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,320
it'll take us a couple years to write a

783
00:31:52,730 --> 00:31:51,120
paper because people are doing this on

784
00:31:54,529 --> 00:31:52,740
the weekend or when they can get time

785
00:31:56,570 --> 00:31:54,539
here or there you know a couple hours a

786
00:31:58,909 --> 00:31:56,580
week to work on a paper as opposed to

787
00:32:00,830 --> 00:31:58,919
being able to do it all day long the

788
00:32:03,889 --> 00:32:00,840
government has resources so if they look

789
00:32:06,049 --> 00:32:03,899
into this just like the government is

790
00:32:08,269 --> 00:32:06,059
you know what looks into a lot of

791
00:32:10,669 --> 00:32:08,279
experimental drugs Cancer drugs things

792
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,679
like this because it's something that

793
00:32:14,990 --> 00:32:12,659
corporate uh the corporate world can't

794
00:32:17,870 --> 00:32:15,000
do or won't do because there's no

795
00:32:19,690 --> 00:32:17,880
profits associated with it

796
00:32:21,710 --> 00:32:19,700
um and you know that's the the

797
00:32:23,090 --> 00:32:21,720
capitalistic world the corporation is

798
00:32:24,409 --> 00:32:23,100
going to get involved unless they can

799
00:32:26,269 --> 00:32:24,419
make some money

800
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:26,279
um from from that Arena so that's why

801
00:32:29,630 --> 00:32:27,659
you get the government involved with

802
00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:29,640
this kind of research who else is going

803
00:32:34,250 --> 00:32:32,340
to do it I I wouldn't I wouldn't say

804
00:32:35,690 --> 00:32:34,260
they're the end-all BL but they're

805
00:32:38,570 --> 00:32:35,700
definitely

806
00:32:40,730 --> 00:32:38,580
um uh it there's just a lot of people I

807
00:32:43,010 --> 00:32:40,740
would say it's the individuals who

808
00:32:45,529 --> 00:32:43,020
decide whether or not the government is

809
00:32:47,330 --> 00:32:45,539
the end-all be-all and most individuals

810
00:32:49,130 --> 00:32:47,340
currently I think do look for the

811
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,140
government for answers on this doesn't

812
00:32:53,090 --> 00:32:50,700
have to be that way and maybe it won't

813
00:32:55,669 --> 00:32:53,100
in the future maybe organizations like

814
00:32:58,669 --> 00:32:55,679
seu will get more gravitized so for

815
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,679
example you know who if seti heard a

816
00:33:04,430 --> 00:33:01,679
signal and study scientists said this is

817
00:33:06,529 --> 00:33:04,440
a genuine extraterrestrial signal from a

818
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:06,539
civilization outside of our own

819
00:33:11,870 --> 00:33:09,840
who are people going to listen to seti

820
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:11,880
or the government if the government says

821
00:33:16,190 --> 00:33:14,820
and I don't think so I think seti is who

822
00:33:17,570 --> 00:33:16,200
people are going to listen to these are

823
00:33:20,029 --> 00:33:17,580
the scientists who have been skeptical

824
00:33:22,430 --> 00:33:20,039
the entire time you know this I think

825
00:33:24,350 --> 00:33:22,440
that's an example and if we do have an

826
00:33:26,450 --> 00:33:24,360
independent organization to come come

827
00:33:29,029 --> 00:33:26,460
out and say we've confirmed you know

828
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:29,039
this is a technology that is beyond our

829
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:30,720
own check out these videos and their

830
00:33:35,630 --> 00:33:32,760
scientific analysis of that video like

831
00:33:37,430 --> 00:33:35,640
SEO hopefully we'll have the gravitas or

832
00:33:39,649 --> 00:33:37,440
some organization could have the

833
00:33:42,169 --> 00:33:39,659
gravitas outside the organization or

834
00:33:44,269 --> 00:33:42,179
government to say you know this is real

835
00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:44,279
and and people will listen

836
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:46,860
yeah it's it's something that is kind of

837
00:33:51,409 --> 00:33:48,960
like I looked at it as oh that's nice

838
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:51,419
that the government endorses the

839
00:33:54,649 --> 00:33:52,679
existence

840
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:54,659
we already kind of have a pretty clear

841
00:33:58,490 --> 00:33:56,880
understanding of how the government's

842
00:34:00,909 --> 00:33:58,500
involvement has been in the past nothing

843
00:34:04,190 --> 00:34:00,919
really changed from that statement right

844
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:04,200
the the one thing that they released was

845
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:05,760
I think six frames something like that

846
00:34:08,570 --> 00:34:07,200
something going by a cod pick really

847
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,580
fast and then

848
00:34:12,589 --> 00:34:10,560
the congressman ended up going behind

849
00:34:15,649 --> 00:34:12,599
closed doors and and they might have

850
00:34:17,690 --> 00:34:15,659
seen something that you know that that

851
00:34:20,389 --> 00:34:17,700
is uh you know much more miraculous than

852
00:34:22,790 --> 00:34:20,399
that so I I I'm kind of looking at it

853
00:34:25,129 --> 00:34:22,800
and again you look at the math it's just

854
00:34:27,169 --> 00:34:25,139
you know do we have uh you know more

855
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,179
sticks in this pile than we did before I

856
00:34:30,589 --> 00:34:29,040
don't I don't know I think when I think

857
00:34:32,930 --> 00:34:30,599
of any advances that are going to be

858
00:34:36,230 --> 00:34:32,940
done it'll be done by civilians or will

859
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:36,240
be done by think tanks like SCU you have

860
00:34:42,349 --> 00:34:39,000
all these great people but as an example

861
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,359
Randall Nickerson cannot

862
00:34:46,790 --> 00:34:44,580
um like if he wants to put

863
00:34:47,690 --> 00:34:46,800
some if someone wants to put cameras on

864
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,700
their plane

865
00:34:51,290 --> 00:34:49,280
and be able to go out themselves

866
00:34:52,970 --> 00:34:51,300
high-tech cameras that you can buy that

867
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,980
have infrared everything else you can't

868
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,200
do that if you're going to do that you

869
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,320
have to re-license your plane as a

870
00:35:01,910 --> 00:35:00,480
different type of uh vehicle and you

871
00:35:03,710 --> 00:35:01,920
have to get certain permits and all this

872
00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:03,720
stuff it's a big pain in the ass because

873
00:35:06,770 --> 00:35:04,980
they don't want this to fall off your

874
00:35:08,750 --> 00:35:06,780
plane and you know and drop down and

875
00:35:11,089 --> 00:35:08,760
hurt someone right but but there's

876
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,099
certain things where you know that would

877
00:35:14,810 --> 00:35:13,200
be a great you know you could certainly

878
00:35:16,430 --> 00:35:14,820
put it on a boat if you're looking for

879
00:35:18,170 --> 00:35:16,440
you know something under the water under

880
00:35:19,970 --> 00:35:18,180
underwater submersibles or a night which

881
00:35:22,130 --> 00:35:19,980
is what SCU is doing

882
00:35:24,530 --> 00:35:22,140
but it's kind of hard for the average

883
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:24,540
you know person UFO researcher UFO

884
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:26,160
Enthusiast who wants to do that who

885
00:35:29,990 --> 00:35:28,140
wants to be out there

886
00:35:32,089 --> 00:35:30,000
um and so as a technology gets better

887
00:35:34,609 --> 00:35:32,099
and better I feel like that's gonna

888
00:35:38,450 --> 00:35:34,619
that's gonna come out this this is not

889
00:35:40,490 --> 00:35:38,460
owned by the government anymore you know

890
00:35:41,630 --> 00:35:40,500
um you know Holloman and all those other

891
00:35:44,569 --> 00:35:41,640
stories

892
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:44,579
you know about uh crafts landing and

893
00:35:48,109 --> 00:35:45,780
stuff

894
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:48,119
um I think if that were to happen

895
00:35:52,910 --> 00:35:51,119
you know uh today I think that you know

896
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,920
I think it's susceptible to being

897
00:35:56,810 --> 00:35:54,900
captured but at the same time it's not

898
00:35:58,430 --> 00:35:56,820
and everyone's got cell phones and stuff

899
00:36:01,430 --> 00:35:58,440
and granted everyone's looking down like

900
00:36:03,410 --> 00:36:01,440
this right not looking up but

901
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:03,420
in your estimation

902
00:36:07,250 --> 00:36:06,000
do you feel like you know what SCU and

903
00:36:08,569 --> 00:36:07,260
some of the other organizations do you

904
00:36:09,890 --> 00:36:08,579
feel like they're going to be making a a

905
00:36:10,970 --> 00:36:09,900
dent here or do you feel like the

906
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,980
government's going to give us a little

907
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:12,420
bit more and show us some more footage

908
00:36:18,530 --> 00:36:13,380
and

909
00:36:20,270 --> 00:36:18,540
things first I do want to address Dr

910
00:36:21,950 --> 00:36:20,280
Richard I saw his follow-up we don't

911
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:21,960
have resources but haven't we without

912
00:36:26,630 --> 00:36:24,540
government a mass proof proof of

913
00:36:28,910 --> 00:36:26,640
visitation over 70 years no I don't

914
00:36:30,650 --> 00:36:28,920
think so at all I think that we've got

915
00:36:32,750 --> 00:36:30,660
anecdotal information I don't think we

916
00:36:35,329 --> 00:36:32,760
have proof of that if we had proof the

917
00:36:37,490 --> 00:36:35,339
conversation would be much different

918
00:36:39,530 --> 00:36:37,500
um I think there's a couple things I

919
00:36:42,290 --> 00:36:39,540
think that uh

920
00:36:43,970 --> 00:36:42,300
given that the government does have to

921
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:43,980
kind of

922
00:36:48,050 --> 00:36:45,839
um worry about the classification of

923
00:36:51,230 --> 00:36:48,060
information one of the things that they

924
00:36:53,150 --> 00:36:51,240
can do is fund science

925
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:53,160
um you know for instance work together

926
00:36:58,970 --> 00:36:56,700
with SCU and and NASA is a good start or

927
00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:58,980
maybe fund or help give funding to other

928
00:37:02,810 --> 00:37:01,260
organizations who are more openly and

929
00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:02,820
more transparent kind of looking into

930
00:37:06,530 --> 00:37:05,520
this topic I think that would be a huge

931
00:37:08,510 --> 00:37:06,540
help

932
00:37:10,910 --> 00:37:08,520
um that then we don't have to worry

933
00:37:12,890 --> 00:37:10,920
about that classified kind of side of

934
00:37:15,410 --> 00:37:12,900
things so uh that's another thing

935
00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:15,420
government can do to help uh which is

936
00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,859
important

937
00:37:19,370 --> 00:37:18,000
um so there are things that the

938
00:37:21,410 --> 00:37:19,380
government can do to help that we need

939
00:37:22,970 --> 00:37:21,420
to ask them to do which a lot of our

940
00:37:25,609 --> 00:37:22,980
Congress people are doing and and we

941
00:37:27,290 --> 00:37:25,619
need to encourage them to do so a lot of

942
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,300
people in fact John Ramirez made the

943
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,760
point that it's not the individual

944
00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:31,680
Congressman that you want to talk to

945
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:35,040
it's the actual committees so sending

946
00:37:38,750 --> 00:37:37,680
messages to the Committees um especially

947
00:37:40,250 --> 00:37:38,760
the committee the armed services

948
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:40,260
committees

949
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:42,300
um to let them know you know we've got

950
00:37:47,150 --> 00:37:44,940
to uh we need to continue this sort of

951
00:37:49,130 --> 00:37:47,160
research to figure this out

952
00:37:50,750 --> 00:37:49,140
um

953
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,760
I think that does that answer your

954
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,640
question yeah I think so

955
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:55,440
um so I do want to get back to some of

956
00:37:59,210 --> 00:37:57,720
the highlights uh one of the things

957
00:38:02,089 --> 00:37:59,220
um that was really exciting is that

958
00:38:04,010 --> 00:38:02,099
Randall Nickerson won the researcher UFO

959
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,020
researcher of the year

960
00:38:09,050 --> 00:38:06,240
um that's fantastic and so if you can

961
00:38:12,589 --> 00:38:09,060
kind of uh talk about

962
00:38:14,750 --> 00:38:12,599
yeah I mean I like I keep saying those

963
00:38:17,750 --> 00:38:14,760
of us who have known Randall Nickerson

964
00:38:20,329 --> 00:38:17,760
uh ha and what he's been up to have been

965
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,339
waiting this movie for over a decade

966
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:22,320
and you know no clue what we're gonna

967
00:38:28,370 --> 00:38:25,980
get knowing that he's done a lot of work

968
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:28,380
now that we've got the movie if people

969
00:38:32,750 --> 00:38:30,900
haven't seen aerial phenomena I for one

970
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:32,760
I think I talked to you maybe the day

971
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:35,119
after I saw it I gave you a call to say

972
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:39,780
wow you know I was so impressed by that

973
00:38:44,870 --> 00:38:43,380
movie not just the content of the UFO

974
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:44,880
research or the research done on the

975
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,240
case but also as a filmmaker

976
00:38:51,829 --> 00:38:50,160
um you know the the heart and soul

977
00:38:54,290 --> 00:38:51,839
that's in there it's emotional and

978
00:38:55,730 --> 00:38:54,300
you're following you know Emily trim's

979
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:55,740
Journey

980
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,780
um as she goes back to for the first

981
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,720
time back to to at the Ariel school you

982
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:03,200
know now living in Canada and

983
00:39:07,849 --> 00:39:05,280
re-experiences everything and talks to

984
00:39:10,670 --> 00:39:07,859
old friends and teachers

985
00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,680
um it's just an amazing movie so it's a

986
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:13,680
great amount of UFO research coupled

987
00:39:20,870 --> 00:39:17,640
with a unique and creative and emotional

988
00:39:23,390 --> 00:39:20,880
and very deep presentation of that

989
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:23,400
material so that's why I felt you know

990
00:39:27,470 --> 00:39:25,980
it was Karen's idea Karen is the one who

991
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:27,480
came up with who should win and I was

992
00:39:33,230 --> 00:39:29,880
like heck yeah you know just I agreed

993
00:39:36,290 --> 00:39:33,240
with her so um and I I yeah absolutely

994
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:36,300
deserving so beautiful movie

995
00:39:42,170 --> 00:39:39,839
um and uh to have him there it was funny

996
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,180
because we gave him a call we were we

997
00:39:46,910 --> 00:39:43,980
were at you know the award dinner was

998
00:39:48,710 --> 00:39:46,920
starting and he wasn't in the room so

999
00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:48,720
Karen came the calling center or you're

1000
00:39:52,370 --> 00:39:49,980
coming to dinner aren't you and he said

1001
00:39:54,650 --> 00:39:52,380
yeah when is it and she said now and he

1002
00:39:56,510 --> 00:39:54,660
said oh my gosh let me get down there so

1003
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:56,520
he came down and he made it luckily a

1004
00:40:00,589 --> 00:39:58,740
few minutes before we I gave him the

1005
00:40:02,150 --> 00:40:00,599
award and it was one of the shortest

1006
00:40:03,290 --> 00:40:02,160
acceptance speech because he was just

1007
00:40:05,089 --> 00:40:03,300
kind of

1008
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:05,099
um you know speechless he didn't know

1009
00:40:10,849 --> 00:40:08,460
what to say uh which was great so I you

1010
00:40:12,650 --> 00:40:10,859
know we're happy to honor him uh we

1011
00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:12,660
ended the show unfortunately we had a

1012
00:40:16,550 --> 00:40:14,700
little bit of technical difficulties but

1013
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:16,560
um it worked out where we actually

1014
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:17,880
interviewed

1015
00:40:23,630 --> 00:40:19,079
um

1016
00:40:27,290 --> 00:40:23,640
Karen interviewed via uh Zoom uh Emily

1017
00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,300
trim and LaSalle uh I'm hopefully I'm

1018
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:29,119
saying her name right but she's the girl

1019
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:32,880
at weisel exactly she's the one who you

1020
00:40:37,010 --> 00:40:35,099
see in the video so much that little

1021
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:37,020
girl who's talking about the creatures

1022
00:40:41,329 --> 00:40:39,540
and her drawings and and the sense that

1023
00:40:43,490 --> 00:40:41,339
she was getting with them

1024
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:43,500
um really really cute so it was

1025
00:40:48,349 --> 00:40:45,780
wonderful to have them there and have

1026
00:40:50,270 --> 00:40:48,359
their input and the last you know at the

1027
00:40:54,050 --> 00:40:50,280
end of the interview they were saying

1028
00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:54,060
you know about how uh grateful they were

1029
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,140
for Randy and the film and uh how great

1030
00:41:04,250 --> 00:41:00,240
it was to work with him

1031
00:41:06,410 --> 00:41:04,260
um so yeah so we're really happy to uh

1032
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:06,420
do that yeah

1033
00:41:14,089 --> 00:41:10,920
um also uh I should mention that I got a

1034
00:41:17,150 --> 00:41:14,099
chance to see uh well I had seen the

1035
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:17,160
first cut of James Fox's uh moment of

1036
00:41:23,510 --> 00:41:21,420
contact and was just going

1037
00:41:26,270 --> 00:41:23,520
you know well here comes the second shot

1038
00:41:27,710 --> 00:41:26,280
over the Bow by Fox

1039
00:41:29,750 --> 00:41:27,720
um and what was unique about this one is

1040
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:29,760
that it's a follow doc you know where

1041
00:41:33,470 --> 00:41:31,079
it's one story and you're following it

1042
00:41:35,030 --> 00:41:33,480
all the way through uh even though you

1043
00:41:37,430 --> 00:41:35,040
know James had worked on this story

1044
00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:37,440
years ago couldn't fit it into the

1045
00:41:43,069 --> 00:41:39,540
phenomena and then it became its own

1046
00:41:46,550 --> 00:41:43,079
thing and um he did one of his premieres

1047
00:41:48,349 --> 00:41:46,560
at at uh the international UFO Congress

1048
00:41:49,430 --> 00:41:48,359
convention I'm curious what the reaction

1049
00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,440
was there and then I'll tell you what

1050
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,420
the reaction was last night for the Los

1051
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:53,880
Angeles Premiere that we had here

1052
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,079
um yeah

1053
00:42:00,290 --> 00:41:58,260
you know it was great I think that um oh

1054
00:42:01,609 --> 00:42:00,300
look there's some pictures oh wow look

1055
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,619
at that I wonder where that picture came

1056
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:03,839
from that's great anyway yeah I think

1057
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:06,599
with uh the movie

1058
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:09,180
um I really like like this follow kind

1059
00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:10,619
of you and I have talked about this

1060
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:12,839
before and kind of debated the best way

1061
00:42:19,370 --> 00:42:16,020
to do it or not and for this movie in

1062
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:19,380
particular I really like following James

1063
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:22,440
um he's a very charismatic you know

1064
00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:25,740
person he's fun to know James is to love

1065
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:28,380
James so of course I think an audience

1066
00:42:33,109 --> 00:42:30,480
is going to really enjoy following him

1067
00:42:36,410 --> 00:42:33,119
and his reactions because his reactions

1068
00:42:38,450 --> 00:42:36,420
are are great he's uh he's so friendly

1069
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:38,460
and he laughs and his reactions are so

1070
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,180
genuine and you know you really get it

1071
00:42:46,849 --> 00:42:44,160
and even at the Times where he's

1072
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:46,859
frustrated because he's like wait you

1073
00:42:49,790 --> 00:42:48,480
know we need to talk this to this guy

1074
00:42:51,710 --> 00:42:49,800
and they're like no it's not gonna

1075
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,720
happen and hopefully I'm not revealing

1076
00:42:54,829 --> 00:42:53,520
too much when you know there's even a

1077
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:54,839
guy we gotta get out of here they're

1078
00:42:58,609 --> 00:42:56,579
gonna shoot us you know type of

1079
00:43:01,609 --> 00:42:58,619
situation you said people just didn't

1080
00:43:03,050 --> 00:43:01,619
want to talk and uh and he's like oh man

1081
00:43:05,210 --> 00:43:03,060
but we got to get in there because you

1082
00:43:07,250 --> 00:43:05,220
know he's he's flown out there and done

1083
00:43:09,890 --> 00:43:07,260
so much uh but he talked to a lot of

1084
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,900
people and you know it's it's a case

1085
00:43:13,970 --> 00:43:12,480
where it's based off of anecdotal

1086
00:43:15,290 --> 00:43:13,980
information

1087
00:43:17,630 --> 00:43:15,300
um so it's a case where you're just like

1088
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:17,640
I don't know you know this alleged alien

1089
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:20,819
but there's nothing like talking to the

1090
00:43:27,290 --> 00:43:24,660
witnesses firsthand and uh they're very

1091
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:27,300
very compelling you know they they have

1092
00:43:32,089 --> 00:43:30,000
emotion around what they saw every

1093
00:43:34,490 --> 00:43:32,099
witness you know all the main witnesses

1094
00:43:37,250 --> 00:43:34,500
that we know of are there or their

1095
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:37,260
family to share or end the or their

1096
00:43:42,770 --> 00:43:39,180
family to share kind of their

1097
00:43:45,050 --> 00:43:42,780
experiences so it's very compelling I

1098
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:45,060
mean it's one of these they get under my

1099
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:46,800
skin in fact you know I do a lecture on

1100
00:43:50,750 --> 00:43:48,540
strange alien cases where they're good

1101
00:43:53,089 --> 00:43:50,760
cases you know we've got a documentary I

1102
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:53,099
think that's one of the best on um if we

1103
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,660
can call it that it's mostly interviews

1104
00:43:59,870 --> 00:43:56,940
with with the three Witnesses of the

1105
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,880
Allagash case another one where they

1106
00:44:04,250 --> 00:44:01,800
they had they claim these weird

1107
00:44:06,349 --> 00:44:04,260
experiences but it's just so dang

1108
00:44:08,150 --> 00:44:06,359
compelling so

1109
00:44:10,849 --> 00:44:08,160
um I I liked it I thought it was great

1110
00:44:13,849 --> 00:44:10,859
uh I think it's the type of movie that's

1111
00:44:16,250 --> 00:44:13,859
really going to um do well with

1112
00:44:17,710 --> 00:44:16,260
audiences yeah

1113
00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:17,720
um it was great to see on the big screen

1114
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:21,000
uh as well they actually moved the

1115
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:22,079
screening

1116
00:44:27,050 --> 00:44:25,500
because in the theater complex there's

1117
00:44:29,809 --> 00:44:27,060
14 theaters in there and they moved it

1118
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:29,819
to the the main theater because there

1119
00:44:34,849 --> 00:44:31,020
were so many people that showed up and

1120
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:34,859
they realized we underestimated and so

1121
00:44:37,550 --> 00:44:36,300
um the funny part was that all of us had

1122
00:44:39,410 --> 00:44:37,560
our seats and we go to sit down we're

1123
00:44:41,450 --> 00:44:39,420
like wait a second you're now sitting on

1124
00:44:44,030 --> 00:44:41,460
the other side of the aisle I'm here and

1125
00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:44,040
then everyone just find your seat and it

1126
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:47,099
all worked out but um it's it's

1127
00:44:51,290 --> 00:44:48,660
interesting because

1128
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:51,300
you look at something like this and

1129
00:44:55,730 --> 00:44:54,420
again you know the term Smoking Gun gets

1130
00:44:58,970 --> 00:44:55,740
thrown around I've thrown it around

1131
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:58,980
plenty myself yeah Smoking Gun ideally

1132
00:45:04,490 --> 00:45:01,440
is evidence that you can hold up and say

1133
00:45:05,870 --> 00:45:04,500
this is not from here here's why a b and

1134
00:45:12,650 --> 00:45:05,880
c

1135
00:45:15,349 --> 00:45:12,660
my on my butt here looking at something

1136
00:45:18,530 --> 00:45:15,359
like moment of content or of contact is

1137
00:45:21,950 --> 00:45:18,540
that you have these people that

1138
00:45:24,050 --> 00:45:21,960
if if um if witness testimony

1139
00:45:26,089 --> 00:45:24,060
can be considered evidence

1140
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:26,099
then we have evidence of the highest

1141
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:28,920
caliber and that film and in Randy's

1142
00:45:33,290 --> 00:45:31,500
film Randall's film and other films and

1143
00:45:35,089 --> 00:45:33,300
so it's kind of like it feels like we've

1144
00:45:37,730 --> 00:45:35,099
gone as far as as we can and when you

1145
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,740
see the movie and you see how close

1146
00:45:41,690 --> 00:45:40,079
we get to getting to the people that

1147
00:45:43,250 --> 00:45:41,700
have that truth and stuff and ultimately

1148
00:45:44,510 --> 00:45:43,260
it's still you know can we get our hands

1149
00:45:47,329 --> 00:45:44,520
in the video

1150
00:45:49,309 --> 00:45:47,339
and so um yeah and they mentioned that

1151
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,319
the producers you know you know I think

1152
00:45:54,710 --> 00:45:52,079
about that you make a really good point

1153
00:45:56,630 --> 00:45:54,720
there and I think that that's why people

1154
00:45:58,430 --> 00:45:56,640
feel that this field people who have

1155
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,440
been in this field and the longer they

1156
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:00,180
stay in this field feel that it's been

1157
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,180
stagnant because when it comes to

1158
00:46:08,150 --> 00:46:05,220
anecdotal information or witness

1159
00:46:12,050 --> 00:46:08,160
testimony we've been at that threshold

1160
00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:12,060
of excellent testimony since the

1161
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:15,060
beginning I mean blue book is Chuck full

1162
00:46:23,150 --> 00:46:20,040
of military and lawmakers who chase UFOs

1163
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:23,160
I mean and these are people who know we

1164
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:26,640
even have Lockheed Skunk Works guys

1165
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:29,400
um Engineers the top engineers in the

1166
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:32,099
60s seeing UFOs and saying you know we

1167
00:46:35,510 --> 00:46:33,480
know better than the Air Force which

1168
00:46:37,970 --> 00:46:35,520
they do in many ways they're the guys

1169
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:37,980
who taught the Air Force guys some of

1170
00:46:42,109 --> 00:46:39,720
these professors and things

1171
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:42,119
um you know we've had excellent witness

1172
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,500
testimony

1173
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:46,020
um for for decades now but we haven't

1174
00:46:51,050 --> 00:46:47,880
had the science

1175
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,060
um really after 1969 I would say you

1176
00:46:55,970 --> 00:46:53,040
know if you read books like especially

1177
00:46:57,470 --> 00:46:55,980
invisible college or others there was

1178
00:46:58,849 --> 00:46:57,480
kind of this you know what we're not

1179
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,859
going to get there with the science we

1180
00:47:03,950 --> 00:47:01,200
just don't have the resources scientific

1181
00:47:06,410 --> 00:47:03,960
Community doesn't want to do it and we

1182
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,420
had this law for decades where people

1183
00:47:11,630 --> 00:47:08,579
weren't really pursuing the science so

1184
00:47:13,550 --> 00:47:11,640
much um now it's a new world now it's a

1185
00:47:17,329 --> 00:47:13,560
new world for many reasons one of those

1186
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:17,339
being that citizen scientists are much

1187
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,280
more empowered with technology the

1188
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,200
technologies that may have taken an

1189
00:47:28,550 --> 00:47:25,260
entire aircraft you know in the past now

1190
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:28,560
are in our phone so we have a lot more

1191
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:30,780
resources to do the citizen science so I

1192
00:47:36,650 --> 00:47:33,680
think this is a an arena where we can

1193
00:47:38,809 --> 00:47:36,660
gather stronger and better evidence and

1194
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:38,819
will and I think you know what's

1195
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:40,680
exciting about this time and and this is

1196
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:42,960
why I have no

1197
00:47:47,450 --> 00:47:46,020
um you know reservations when I'm

1198
00:47:49,790 --> 00:47:47,460
talking to scientists or government

1199
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,800
officials or others saying that you know

1200
00:47:55,370 --> 00:47:52,560
we can get more I have absolutely

1201
00:47:56,990 --> 00:47:55,380
certainty that we can gather more these

1202
00:47:59,450 --> 00:47:57,000
are genuine Mysteries that need to be

1203
00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:59,460
discovered even if some of these things

1204
00:48:03,109 --> 00:48:01,079
that we discover are mundane like the

1205
00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:03,119
weather anomaly they got in tear in the

1206
00:48:07,730 --> 00:48:05,700
sky it's an area of science that has not

1207
00:48:10,670 --> 00:48:07,740
been examined where there will be

1208
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:10,680
discoveries made and the potential when

1209
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:11,940
especially when you have even the

1210
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:13,500
military saying some of these

1211
00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:15,420
Technologies don't see seem to be human

1212
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:18,720
made the potential for uh where we could

1213
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:20,880
go of course is is extremely exciting

1214
00:48:25,010 --> 00:48:22,800
yeah it seems like if I were to break it

1215
00:48:27,950 --> 00:48:25,020
down into three stages like

1216
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:27,960
um Jalen heinek's uh you know Close

1217
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,579
Encounters for a second Third Kind the

1218
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,020
first one I would say is testimony

1219
00:48:35,930 --> 00:48:33,599
second one would be footage

1220
00:48:38,809 --> 00:48:35,940
that would be really compelling

1221
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:38,819
but as we know and I know as a filmmaker

1222
00:48:44,690 --> 00:48:41,940
having done two Alien films uh those

1223
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:44,700
things can be faked so then the third

1224
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:47,760
one which is to me is that smoke and gun

1225
00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:50,160
words it's tangible evidence where the

1226
00:48:53,690 --> 00:48:52,020
scientists can have a field day they can

1227
00:48:55,609 --> 00:48:53,700
sit down it's Thanksgiving and they can

1228
00:48:57,650 --> 00:48:55,619
just Chow on it and and look at it from

1229
00:49:00,410 --> 00:48:57,660
all different angles and quantify

1230
00:49:02,569 --> 00:49:00,420
everything and so it kind of feels like

1231
00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:02,579
we're ping-ponging back and forth

1232
00:49:09,770 --> 00:49:05,839
between the witness evidence if you will

1233
00:49:11,390 --> 00:49:09,780
and the the video evidence with the Tic

1234
00:49:13,069 --> 00:49:11,400
Tac footage and stuff still haven't

1235
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,079
gotten there officially I know some

1236
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:14,640
people have said well this is some meta

1237
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:16,920
material and stuff like that

1238
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,500
um but it it feels like

1239
00:49:23,870 --> 00:49:22,020
it hasn't been peer-reviewed yet I mean

1240
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:23,880
it's not been it's in the early stage

1241
00:49:29,990 --> 00:49:27,599
yeah so um I guess my question to you is

1242
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:30,000
you know do you feel that

1243
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:33,599
that maybe mankind which sounds so

1244
00:49:40,010 --> 00:49:35,520
stupid womankind humankind let's say

1245
00:49:42,829 --> 00:49:40,020
humankind human kindness yeah is um

1246
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,839
will they be able to take that in were

1247
00:49:46,609 --> 00:49:44,460
they you know what what do they need

1248
00:49:47,809 --> 00:49:46,619
across the board because there's a huge

1249
00:49:49,250 --> 00:49:47,819
amount of people you look at the polls

1250
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:49,260
and stuff where they say they believe in

1251
00:49:53,089 --> 00:49:51,359
this and everything but but

1252
00:49:55,730 --> 00:49:53,099
where were you

1253
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:55,740
what what is what's like for you yeah

1254
00:50:00,530 --> 00:49:58,800
that's an interesting question because

1255
00:50:02,450 --> 00:50:00,540
um and it gets back to the question of

1256
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:02,460
some of the comments you know the

1257
00:50:06,670 --> 00:50:04,380
questions we are being asked earlier we

1258
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:06,680
do have proof we do have evidence

1259
00:50:11,690 --> 00:50:10,079
it depends on what your threshold is uh

1260
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:11,700
we don't have scientific proof or

1261
00:50:16,250 --> 00:50:13,920
evidence or I shouldn't say that we do

1262
00:50:19,250 --> 00:50:16,260
have I I would say some evidence but not

1263
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:19,260
that compiles enough to to be proof yet

1264
00:50:23,390 --> 00:50:21,480
but hopefully we're Gathering that we're

1265
00:50:26,210 --> 00:50:23,400
working on Gathering that and we'll get

1266
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:26,220
there but for individuals you know that

1267
00:50:30,650 --> 00:50:29,160
varies and we've seen over the years of

1268
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:30,660
course with these polls with the

1269
00:50:34,849 --> 00:50:32,940
American public that they're seeing more

1270
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,859
and more evidence and they're seeing

1271
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:37,440
enough to convince them and you know

1272
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,180
that's what the politicians are betting

1273
00:50:43,490 --> 00:50:41,520
on that they're hey more than 50 percent

1274
00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:43,500
of the public seems to be convinced this

1275
00:50:47,990 --> 00:50:46,680
is a thing so we as politicians which is

1276
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,000
their job

1277
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:49,920
ought to be pushing this and getting

1278
00:50:54,650 --> 00:50:52,260
this move this forward which is what's

1279
00:50:56,270 --> 00:50:54,660
happening so so the public is getting

1280
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:56,280
enough

1281
00:51:01,250 --> 00:50:59,280
um but uh you know that's where it gets

1282
00:51:03,230 --> 00:51:01,260
into like those Arenas that I had talked

1283
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,240
about when and where was that for a

1284
00:51:07,849 --> 00:51:05,520
defense I think that's a big question

1285
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,859
right now because now we know and that

1286
00:51:11,809 --> 00:51:09,839
was one of the things Elizondo and and

1287
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,819
melon were trying to do is push the

1288
00:51:15,950 --> 00:51:14,160
military into admitting that they take

1289
00:51:17,809 --> 00:51:15,960
uip seriously and they have been

1290
00:51:19,609 --> 00:51:17,819
investigating them some of the things

1291
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,619
we've known as researchers for a long

1292
00:51:23,990 --> 00:51:22,140
time but we what we don't know is what

1293
00:51:26,569 --> 00:51:24,000
they've done and what they've gathered

1294
00:51:28,190 --> 00:51:26,579
and what was it that convinced them and

1295
00:51:29,930 --> 00:51:28,200
pushed them over to the Tipping Point

1296
00:51:31,430 --> 00:51:29,940
you know those are some interesting

1297
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:31,440
questions

1298
00:51:36,109 --> 00:51:34,079
um so so yeah there's there's a variety

1299
00:51:37,549 --> 00:51:36,119
of different thresholds that all mean

1300
00:51:41,270 --> 00:51:37,559
different things

1301
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,280
yeah I I I'm looking at the comments

1302
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:43,740
here uh as we're going and a lot yeah

1303
00:51:46,549 --> 00:51:44,880
and a lot of people are saying we do

1304
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:46,559
have that evidence we do well the

1305
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:48,599
evidence I'm talking about is evidence

1306
00:51:53,390 --> 00:51:51,420
of either craft where we can you know

1307
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:53,400
see it whether it's broken up whatever

1308
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:56,160
our bodies and I'm not saying well we do

1309
00:52:00,349 --> 00:51:57,359
have that evidence that the government

1310
00:52:02,450 --> 00:52:00,359
has that what I I'm not talking about

1311
00:52:04,790 --> 00:52:02,460
that whether that's real or not I'm

1312
00:52:08,089 --> 00:52:04,800
talking about being able to go to the

1313
00:52:10,370 --> 00:52:08,099
Smithsonian exactly on displays on on

1314
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:10,380
display see these these beans or see

1315
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:12,720
this material yeah or or see it being

1316
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,859
studied when that happens then then end

1317
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:18,300
a discussion because you know there are

1318
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:21,540
the debunkers exactly exactly and and

1319
00:52:26,030 --> 00:52:24,000
that's what I'm focused on that's when

1320
00:52:28,250 --> 00:52:26,040
I'm pushing what I think is The Cutting

1321
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:28,260
Edge of ufology because we can talk

1322
00:52:32,030 --> 00:52:30,180
about evidence oh we've got proof we can

1323
00:52:33,770 --> 00:52:32,040
have got evidence everybody in the chat

1324
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:33,780
could say that if they wanted that

1325
00:52:38,030 --> 00:52:35,640
doesn't move the needle that doesn't get

1326
00:52:42,109 --> 00:52:38,040
us to the Smithsonian so what we're

1327
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,119
focused on at SCU and at Enigma Labs is

1328
00:52:46,370 --> 00:52:43,920
getting into this Smithsonian getting

1329
00:52:49,790 --> 00:52:46,380
that level and working with Scientists

1330
00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:49,800
at work with this this Smithsonian to

1331
00:52:53,870 --> 00:52:51,660
get involved which some are willing to

1332
00:52:55,849 --> 00:52:53,880
do so

1333
00:52:57,710 --> 00:52:55,859
um you know that's what I'm focused on

1334
00:53:00,109 --> 00:52:57,720
right now and we're and what everybody

1335
00:53:03,890 --> 00:53:00,119
should be excited to hear is that we're

1336
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,900
making ground there big strides there so

1337
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:06,480
you know we're at an incredible time

1338
00:53:11,510 --> 00:53:08,880
right now where people I think will

1339
00:53:13,609 --> 00:53:11,520
begin to see this sort of Science and

1340
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:13,619
see and and this is the route to the

1341
00:53:18,410 --> 00:53:16,079
Smithsonian and I'm confident that we'll

1342
00:53:20,930 --> 00:53:18,420
we'll be getting there you know

1343
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:20,940
um we're on the path so

1344
00:53:25,970 --> 00:53:23,160
um you know hopefully people that can

1345
00:53:28,910 --> 00:53:25,980
convince people to uh support us science

1346
00:53:31,609 --> 00:53:28,920
is slow but uh that's where we're moving

1347
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,619
but it's a juggernaut because once it

1348
00:53:37,430 --> 00:53:33,599
crashes that threshold there's no going

1349
00:53:40,430 --> 00:53:37,440
back yeah the um I feel like we kind of

1350
00:53:42,410 --> 00:53:40,440
to have to be in the moment with all of

1351
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:42,420
this which is what you know we're doing

1352
00:53:46,130 --> 00:53:44,160
right now and and the listeners are

1353
00:53:48,170 --> 00:53:46,140
doing is they're you know disseminating

1354
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:48,180
the stuff hopefully

1355
00:53:53,450 --> 00:53:49,859
um whoever they're listening to is

1356
00:53:54,890 --> 00:53:53,460
someone who is you know uh uh viable in

1357
00:53:55,670 --> 00:53:54,900
a way over there telling you they got a

1358
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,680
rap

1359
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:58,079
they got a rep as we as we get close to

1360
00:54:05,089 --> 00:54:01,440
uh kgra

1361
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:05,099
um and and so um I guess before we wrap

1362
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:08,339
here my question uh for you is um you

1363
00:54:12,349 --> 00:54:09,839
know I always say you know what's down

1364
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:12,359
the hole what's down the hallway uh

1365
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:14,940
mankind when will we be ready

1366
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:17,460
you know for oh yeah when will we be

1367
00:54:21,530 --> 00:54:19,500
ready I think we're pretty ready uh

1368
00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:21,540
personally and of course that question

1369
00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:22,800
does

1370
00:54:29,690 --> 00:54:25,260
um uh depend on what the information

1371
00:54:32,569 --> 00:54:29,700
that's revealed is but I think we are uh

1372
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,579
uh close to ready

1373
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,500
um and you know I think there's

1374
00:54:37,910 --> 00:54:36,720
different studies that show that one of

1375
00:54:39,890 --> 00:54:37,920
the studies I do this talk called

1376
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:39,900
religion and UFOs and one of the studies

1377
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:41,760
I love is this one that Ted Peters did

1378
00:54:46,970 --> 00:54:44,880
did where he did an inventory on whether

1379
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:46,980
uh the discovery of extraterrestrial

1380
00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:50,460
life will affect your religious views or

1381
00:54:56,450 --> 00:54:53,640
your priest religious views or your

1382
00:54:58,130 --> 00:54:56,460
religious institution and pretty much

1383
00:55:00,290 --> 00:54:58,140
they said it's not going to affect me

1384
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:00,300
May

1385
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:03,599
um affect you know father Johnson

1386
00:55:07,910 --> 00:55:05,520
um it probably will affect the Vatican

1387
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:07,920
or you know whatever your religious at

1388
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,680
the religion may be but it's not going

1389
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:12,960
to affect me and they all had this story

1390
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,880
that it'll probably affect you know if

1391
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:17,040
I'm a Catholic it'll probably affect the

1392
00:55:20,510 --> 00:55:18,960
Jews and the Buddhists but it you know

1393
00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,520
uh the Catholics are going to be fine

1394
00:55:24,049 --> 00:55:22,619
and the Buddhists are like oh man the

1395
00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:24,059
Jews and the Catholics are going to

1396
00:55:30,290 --> 00:55:25,980
freak out but we Buddhists will be fine

1397
00:55:31,549 --> 00:55:30,300
so everybody had the idea that you know

1398
00:55:33,410 --> 00:55:31,559
everybody else is going to have a

1399
00:55:35,750 --> 00:55:33,420
problem but I'm not so what does that

1400
00:55:37,609 --> 00:55:35,760
mean most people feel they're not going

1401
00:55:38,930 --> 00:55:37,619
to have a problem when this sort of

1402
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:38,940
Revelation

1403
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,760
um comes true so there's a guy I know

1404
00:55:45,650 --> 00:55:43,740
Franklin Carter who used to say you know

1405
00:55:47,030 --> 00:55:45,660
even if something like that happens

1406
00:55:49,010 --> 00:55:47,040
you're still gonna have to go to work

1407
00:55:50,990 --> 00:55:49,020
the next day you're still going to have

1408
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,000
to pay your bills we're still going to

1409
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,119
need to focus on their everyday lives

1410
00:55:56,690 --> 00:55:55,440
but certainly things will be different

1411
00:55:58,490 --> 00:55:56,700
so

1412
00:56:00,589 --> 00:55:58,500
um I think that was really interesting

1413
00:56:01,970 --> 00:56:00,599
so I think that where now we just need

1414
00:56:04,190 --> 00:56:01,980
to get there now we need to discover

1415
00:56:06,650 --> 00:56:04,200
what's going on and for those of you who

1416
00:56:08,329 --> 00:56:06,660
do believe we are being visited you know

1417
00:56:10,910 --> 00:56:08,339
this is the sort of work that's going to

1418
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:10,920
be needed to get us all there

1419
00:56:14,750 --> 00:56:13,440
um and to continue to move us all in

1420
00:56:16,790 --> 00:56:14,760
that direction

1421
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:16,800
yeah it's it's kind of frustrating

1422
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:18,720
because you look at just the past four

1423
00:56:23,690 --> 00:56:21,119
or five years of what we've gone through

1424
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,700
you know in America

1425
00:56:29,030 --> 00:56:26,880
um alone a lot of change a lot of um

1426
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,040
upheaval

1427
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:30,720
um you know we're still kind of getting

1428
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,020
our bearings and so when I think of like

1429
00:56:39,290 --> 00:56:36,240
the perfect utopian

1430
00:56:41,270 --> 00:56:39,300
um uh communication you know that the

1431
00:56:43,430 --> 00:56:41,280
Stanley Kubrick communication that we

1432
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:43,440
would have with these beings on a global

1433
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,160
you know scale I I wonder are are we

1434
00:56:51,650 --> 00:56:49,980
mature enough are we ready for that and

1435
00:56:54,049 --> 00:56:51,660
and to answer that question I always

1436
00:56:55,370 --> 00:56:54,059
kind of refer to you know what are we

1437
00:56:57,829 --> 00:56:55,380
going to be doing you know when we get

1438
00:56:59,930 --> 00:56:57,839
to when we become Advanced and we've

1439
00:57:01,790 --> 00:56:59,940
transcended everything all of our you

1440
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,800
know pettiness and everything you know

1441
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
can we then you know communicate but

1442
00:57:07,609 --> 00:57:06,000
when I think of them coming here the

1443
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,619
only thing that I worry about religion

1444
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:09,420
with regards to religion is if they come

1445
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,059
here and they say oh there is no God or

1446
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:13,920
because that's going to get asked are

1447
00:57:24,650 --> 00:57:22,970
yeah and then um you know but

1448
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,660
experiences will say no they're they're

1449
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,359
Spiritual Beings just like all of us but

1450
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:29,280
unless they're coming here to say we're

1451
00:57:32,569 --> 00:57:30,420
going to put you on a whole different

1452
00:57:34,849 --> 00:57:32,579
program we have a whole different uh

1453
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:34,859
theory on life which I don't think

1454
00:57:38,990 --> 00:57:37,200
that's uh I don't think that would be

1455
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:39,000
their agenda if they you know even have

1456
00:57:42,349 --> 00:57:40,680
an agenda they may not even have an

1457
00:57:43,250 --> 00:57:42,359
agenda we always think they're going to

1458
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:43,260
come and either they're going to take

1459
00:57:46,190 --> 00:57:44,460
everything or they're going to give us

1460
00:57:47,450 --> 00:57:46,200
technology which we're going to

1461
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:47,460
weaponize

1462
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,000
so you know a lot of scientists use that

1463
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:53,760
analogy that we wouldn't

1464
00:57:58,490 --> 00:57:55,859
um we don't bother you know we would be

1465
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,500
like ants to them so that's why they

1466
00:58:02,809 --> 00:58:00,359
don't wouldn't care about us but we

1467
00:58:05,569 --> 00:58:02,819
research ants let's take that an analogy

1468
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:05,579
further we do care about ants you know

1469
00:58:11,569 --> 00:58:08,640
we do research um send people to keep

1470
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,579
them as as as pets yeah there is such a

1471
00:58:14,809 --> 00:58:13,440
thing as entomology where people take

1472
00:58:16,790 --> 00:58:14,819
courses

1473
00:58:19,309 --> 00:58:16,800
um and they do research them we don't

1474
00:58:21,950 --> 00:58:19,319
give them money you know necessarily we

1475
00:58:24,530 --> 00:58:21,960
don't like support or try to enhance

1476
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,540
their uh environments we do try to

1477
00:58:29,210 --> 00:58:27,119
protect I guess if it came to it we may

1478
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:29,220
try to protect them

1479
00:58:35,270 --> 00:58:33,240
um but in that example kind of there is

1480
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,280
some sort of interaction just not that

1481
00:58:39,049 --> 00:58:36,319
deep

1482
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:39,059
of an interaction and you know what's

1483
00:58:43,250 --> 00:58:40,680
great about scientists getting involved

1484
00:58:47,210 --> 00:58:43,260
I love this uh paper or this talk that

1485
00:58:51,170 --> 00:58:47,220
Kevin knuth um scientists out of Albany

1486
00:58:54,170 --> 00:58:51,180
um SUNY did uh he's a he's you know his

1487
00:58:56,089 --> 00:58:54,180
I'm his I'm a big fan of Kevin knuth

1488
00:58:58,609 --> 00:58:56,099
he's an astrophysicist and he's really

1489
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,619
tackled this field he's part of SCU and

1490
00:59:04,250 --> 00:59:01,200
uapx I love the guy and he does this

1491
00:59:06,650 --> 00:59:04,260
great talk about time like right now

1492
00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:06,660
with the technology that we have we can

1493
00:59:10,609 --> 00:59:09,059
travel build devices that travel at a

1494
00:59:11,870 --> 00:59:10,619
fraction of the speed of light you know

1495
00:59:13,970 --> 00:59:11,880
some of them are kind of bigger

1496
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:13,980
fractions and the closer we get to the

1497
00:59:18,349 --> 00:59:15,780
speed of light the bigger the time

1498
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:18,359
difference is so if there's a group that

1499
00:59:22,190 --> 00:59:19,920
leaves at you know three quarters of

1500
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:22,200
speed of light there we're never going

1501
00:59:24,710 --> 00:59:23,460
to see him again because the time's

1502
00:59:26,930 --> 00:59:24,720
going to be so different when they get

1503
00:59:29,930 --> 00:59:26,940
back we're going to be gone but he talks

1504
00:59:32,510 --> 00:59:29,940
about how if you have a an armada that

1505
00:59:35,089 --> 00:59:32,520
flies together or even if some leave but

1506
00:59:37,309 --> 00:59:35,099
they meet do calculations to meet at a

1507
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,319
certain point and travel at a certain

1508
00:59:41,990 --> 00:59:39,420
speed then they won't have those time

1509
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:42,000
differences but if there is a group like

1510
00:59:45,710 --> 00:59:43,920
this maybe one would Branch off and go

1511
00:59:47,569 --> 00:59:45,720
visit the Earth

1512
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:47,579
um and then go visit somewhere else and

1513
00:59:52,609 --> 00:59:50,880
come back to them a day they might come

1514
00:59:54,770 --> 00:59:52,619
back to visit the earth a day later to

1515
00:59:57,349 --> 00:59:54,780
them but to us a thousand years have

1516
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,359
passed and if that's the case why would

1517
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:59,280
they interact with us if you know when

1518
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:00,720
they leave and come back it's going to

1519
01:00:04,849 --> 01:00:02,579
be a whole new ball game or a different

1520
01:00:06,770 --> 01:00:04,859
species or at least certainly a

1521
01:00:09,730 --> 01:00:06,780
different civilization well certainly

1522
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,740
Michael Masters uh his whole uh

1523
01:00:16,010 --> 01:00:12,960
Masters thesis uh is isn't that that

1524
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:16,020
they are us um from the future but again

1525
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,880
I I always kind of um

1526
01:00:23,210 --> 01:00:20,400
come back to the idea when I when I hear

1527
01:00:24,770 --> 01:00:23,220
and to quote Jean valet you know he's

1528
01:00:26,510 --> 01:00:24,780
going to be very disappointed if aliens

1529
01:00:28,670 --> 01:00:26,520
turn out to be nothing but you know

1530
01:00:30,890 --> 01:00:28,680
beings from another planet

1531
01:00:33,530 --> 01:00:30,900
um I think yeah it's probably all the

1532
01:00:36,589 --> 01:00:33,540
above but when I think of travel and

1533
01:00:39,650 --> 01:00:36,599
having to go at the speed of of light

1534
01:00:41,990 --> 01:00:39,660
um that seems very that seems like um

1535
01:00:43,789 --> 01:00:42,000
it's a combustible engine

1536
01:00:47,089 --> 01:00:43,799
when when we should be talking about

1537
01:00:49,549 --> 01:00:47,099
something that is much more high-tech in

1538
01:00:52,069 --> 01:00:49,559
the sense that the way that people see

1539
01:00:53,870 --> 01:00:52,079
these craft and the way they at aerial

1540
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:53,880
School the way they saw the beans they

1541
01:00:59,210 --> 01:00:57,660
seem to be relocating in in space

1542
01:01:01,250 --> 01:00:59,220
so they're here and then they're here

1543
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:01,260
then they're here but when you Stitch it

1544
01:01:05,450 --> 01:01:02,760
together it's like this movement that's

1545
01:01:06,950 --> 01:01:05,460
happening and so it feels like they're

1546
01:01:09,049 --> 01:01:06,960
able when I remember meeting with

1547
01:01:10,089 --> 01:01:09,059
Alejandra or excuse me not you hey

1548
01:01:14,030 --> 01:01:10,099
that's me

1549
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,040
uh the other uh Lou Elizondo

1550
01:01:17,990 --> 01:01:16,319
um okay that's mixed up all the time all

1551
01:01:21,589 --> 01:01:18,000
the time identical sometimes I've had

1552
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:21,599
people call me alizando have they so

1553
01:01:25,789 --> 01:01:24,420
they mix the hybrid yeah well I remember

1554
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,799
we were talking about that and he was

1555
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,839
saying how you know he was mentioning as

1556
01:01:31,490 --> 01:01:30,000
as we all know how time gets folded and

1557
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,500
everything and how you can do that and

1558
01:01:37,250 --> 01:01:34,079
I've always had a theory and and Lou was

1559
01:01:38,630 --> 01:01:37,260
a a green um uh with it as well that it

1560
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:38,640
doesn't matter what these crafts are

1561
01:01:43,010 --> 01:01:39,599
made of

1562
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,020
that's that's just a way to hold what is

1563
01:01:47,750 --> 01:01:45,359
being propelled you know it's a way to

1564
01:01:50,630 --> 01:01:47,760
to hold it and so it just feels like

1565
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:50,640
until we can get outside of our physics

1566
01:01:54,410 --> 01:01:52,319
that's why whenever I think of a really

1567
01:01:56,690 --> 01:01:54,420
effective Think Tank has to have sci-fi

1568
01:01:58,549 --> 01:01:56,700
writers because these are the ones that

1569
01:02:00,410 --> 01:01:58,559
don't adhere to well these are the rules

1570
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:00,420
we must use these tools it's like no no

1571
01:02:07,309 --> 01:02:03,420
we can do exactly that's what's great

1572
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:07,319
about sci-fi uh you know sci-fi is such

1573
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:09,000
a great reference for this field because

1574
01:02:14,030 --> 01:02:11,160
people have done that out of the box

1575
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:14,040
thinking so you have so many very

1576
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:16,559
creative scenarios out there some of

1577
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,960
which may be right oh look at H.D Wells

1578
01:02:22,910 --> 01:02:20,400
he predicted that we were gonna have

1579
01:02:24,829 --> 01:02:22,920
rockets that had stages I said I mean

1580
01:02:28,430 --> 01:02:24,839
genius all right so we have someone here

1581
01:02:30,970 --> 01:02:28,440
Bo who uh thank you Beau for the

1582
01:02:34,430 --> 01:02:30,980
patreonage here and by the way please uh

1583
01:02:36,289 --> 01:02:34,440
send if you will folks uh contribute um

1584
01:02:39,589 --> 01:02:36,299
if you like this show

1585
01:02:41,809 --> 01:02:39,599
um so he says saw Alejandro on Greenwald

1586
01:02:44,690 --> 01:02:41,819
how do you two reconcile differences

1587
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:44,700
over Elizondo I will let you

1588
01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:48,240
for the most part we don't

1589
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,880
um you know uh we have we disagree about

1590
01:02:56,270 --> 01:02:53,760
quite a few things there but uh

1591
01:02:59,569 --> 01:02:56,280
Greenwald and I just like all of my

1592
01:03:03,109 --> 01:02:59,579
colleagues uh even you and I not to the

1593
01:03:05,809 --> 01:03:03,119
same degree I guess but we all disagree

1594
01:03:07,910 --> 01:03:05,819
um and actually our perspective is yours

1595
01:03:11,089 --> 01:03:07,920
Brian and Martins are pretty close I

1596
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:11,099
think but you know we all disagree on

1597
01:03:16,970 --> 01:03:14,700
things sometimes largely I mean I'm not

1598
01:03:19,010 --> 01:03:16,980
really into Ancient Aliens even I was

1599
01:03:21,770 --> 01:03:19,020
actually interviewing for the show once

1600
01:03:23,329 --> 01:03:21,780
again uh for the third time in two

1601
01:03:25,970 --> 01:03:23,339
months I think

1602
01:03:28,670 --> 01:03:25,980
um I think last time I visited you and

1603
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:28,680
Cali when I when I was on there but um

1604
01:03:33,650 --> 01:03:31,680
you know I I don't agree with a lot of

1605
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:33,660
the stuff on the show and they tell the

1606
01:03:36,049 --> 01:03:34,799
producers that when they do the

1607
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,059
interview

1608
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:38,400
um I'm really good friends with

1609
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:39,240
um

1610
01:03:44,750 --> 01:03:42,960
ah I'm good friends with several people

1611
01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:44,760
on that show who talk about the Ancient

1612
01:03:48,289 --> 01:03:46,200
Aliens theories

1613
01:03:50,510 --> 01:03:48,299
um and but they're still friends of mine

1614
01:03:53,089 --> 01:03:50,520
you know it's okay to disagree and

1615
01:03:56,450 --> 01:03:53,099
become friends now those two of course

1616
01:03:58,490 --> 01:03:56,460
do not get along currently

1617
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:58,500
um and they really get under their each

1618
01:04:02,270 --> 01:04:00,000
other's skin and it's kind of funny

1619
01:04:05,329 --> 01:04:02,280
because this guy referenced my last

1620
01:04:07,430 --> 01:04:05,339
appearance on Greenwald and I I you know

1621
01:04:10,609 --> 01:04:07,440
I would agree with Greenwald and I'd

1622
01:04:14,210 --> 01:04:10,619
have a little criticism of Lou in that

1623
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:14,220
um Greenwald has some points in that you

1624
01:04:18,230 --> 01:04:16,200
know it's fair for him to ask for

1625
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,240
clarify question clarification on

1626
01:04:22,970 --> 01:04:20,160
questions that aren't clarified sure

1627
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:22,980
it's completely fair for him to do that

1628
01:04:29,210 --> 01:04:25,799
um and you know I think Elizondo has

1629
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:29,220
reacted at times you know him and or

1630
01:04:33,770 --> 01:04:31,440
some of his colleagues kind of attacking

1631
01:04:34,609 --> 01:04:33,780
people on UFO Twitter

1632
01:04:36,650 --> 01:04:34,619
um

1633
01:04:38,990 --> 01:04:36,660
and I don't think that's wise and the

1634
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:39,000
reason I laugh is because I preach this

1635
01:04:43,849 --> 01:04:41,760
don't let people get under your skin and

1636
01:04:45,289 --> 01:04:43,859
then on Greenwald you know it like for

1637
01:04:47,030 --> 01:04:45,299
the guy who saw it and anybody else

1638
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,040
there was a question that was asked that

1639
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:49,500
really got under my skin and I even got

1640
01:04:53,809 --> 01:04:51,180
a little embarrassed and apologized

1641
01:04:55,970 --> 01:04:53,819
because I had a big reaction so we're

1642
01:04:58,849 --> 01:04:55,980
all prone to that you know it's

1643
01:05:01,849 --> 01:04:58,859
difficult on and and social media these

1644
01:05:03,470 --> 01:05:01,859
days because uh we've got stars who are

1645
01:05:06,049 --> 01:05:03,480
dropping coming on and off of social

1646
01:05:08,270 --> 01:05:06,059
media all the time some of them feeling

1647
01:05:10,670 --> 01:05:08,280
depressed some of them even

1648
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:10,680
contemplating suicide or committing

1649
01:05:15,289 --> 01:05:13,140
suicide over what goes on on social

1650
01:05:17,630 --> 01:05:15,299
media so it's it's hard to put yourself

1651
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:17,640
out there on social media because even

1652
01:05:22,849 --> 01:05:19,740
if you decide you know what I'm going to

1653
01:05:24,349 --> 01:05:22,859
start writing some blogs uh about UFOs

1654
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,359
and I'm going to share them on my

1655
01:05:29,809 --> 01:05:26,940
Twitter you're gonna get tons of hate

1656
01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:29,819
it's sad it's wrong it couldn't happen

1657
01:05:34,549 --> 01:05:32,040
but it does and we all react in

1658
01:05:37,609 --> 01:05:34,559
different ways so in that way I'm I'm

1659
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:37,619
pathetic or sympathetic to Lou and him

1660
01:05:42,650 --> 01:05:40,079
getting really upset about people

1661
01:05:44,930 --> 01:05:42,660
um you know attacking him and a lot of

1662
01:05:47,329 --> 01:05:44,940
greenwald's people attack him and like

1663
01:05:50,150 --> 01:05:47,339
John and I talked about on the show John

1664
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:50,160
had his camp and I had my camp and they

1665
01:05:56,030 --> 01:05:53,579
were attacking each other and and John

1666
01:05:58,609 --> 01:05:56,040
and I you know got in that arguments

1667
01:06:00,109 --> 01:05:58,619
over it and didn't talk for a while and

1668
01:06:01,970 --> 01:06:00,119
you know we never want to go back to

1669
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:01,980
that we were buddies we love each other

1670
01:06:06,349 --> 01:06:04,680
we've been doing this for techie so long

1671
01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:06,359
you know

1672
01:06:10,490 --> 01:06:08,640
um and so I'm glad that John and I uh

1673
01:06:13,549 --> 01:06:10,500
are not talking and we're buddies again

1674
01:06:15,530 --> 01:06:13,559
I never want that to end and we just

1675
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,540
agree to disagree sometimes

1676
01:06:18,710 --> 01:06:17,400
so what you're saying is that you think

1677
01:06:20,270 --> 01:06:18,720
that this should all be settled with a

1678
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:20,280
sock of manure

1679
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,559
yeah at 20 Paces

1680
01:06:25,549 --> 01:06:23,940
um it's interesting because you're

1681
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:25,559
keeping it reading behind the between

1682
01:06:29,270 --> 01:06:28,020
the lines I I know you I know you that

1683
01:06:32,089 --> 01:06:29,280
well

1684
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:32,099
um it's interesting because you see

1685
01:06:36,529 --> 01:06:34,079
um you know you you see all these people

1686
01:06:39,710 --> 01:06:36,539
that come out that are doing that are

1687
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:39,720
progressing The Narrative of UFOs and

1688
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:41,640
certainly I can't think of anyone who

1689
01:06:47,390 --> 01:06:44,880
you know left such a crater as um Lou

1690
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:47,400
Elizondo did with getting out that the

1691
01:06:51,349 --> 01:06:49,260
the material all the footage and

1692
01:06:53,569 --> 01:06:51,359
everything and uh and the work that he

1693
01:06:55,970 --> 01:06:53,579
did and then you will have people who

1694
01:06:58,250 --> 01:06:55,980
it's like okay well he's getting a

1695
01:07:00,170 --> 01:06:58,260
little too much love so we're gonna find

1696
01:07:02,569 --> 01:07:00,180
other areas and and we're going to

1697
01:07:05,930 --> 01:07:02,579
attack him attack him being human

1698
01:07:09,170 --> 01:07:05,940
right which for me I I a lot of those

1699
01:07:11,569 --> 01:07:09,180
those things just seem to me kind of

1700
01:07:13,309 --> 01:07:11,579
petty in the big picture and so if

1701
01:07:15,890 --> 01:07:13,319
you're really going to Discount someone

1702
01:07:17,210 --> 01:07:15,900
are you going to discount them 100 are

1703
01:07:19,849 --> 01:07:17,220
you going to say no no just for the

1704
01:07:21,529 --> 01:07:19,859
purposes of my own argument and so I

1705
01:07:22,549 --> 01:07:21,539
kind of feel like

1706
01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,559
um

1707
01:07:26,990 --> 01:07:25,140
you know you've you've been out in the

1708
01:07:29,329 --> 01:07:27,000
in the arena longer than I have I've

1709
01:07:31,130 --> 01:07:29,339
been kind of you know for several years

1710
01:07:32,750 --> 01:07:31,140
been able to to play in the back uh

1711
01:07:35,690 --> 01:07:32,760
field with my films and everything and

1712
01:07:37,309 --> 01:07:35,700
but I I feel at the same time

1713
01:07:39,410 --> 01:07:37,319
you know you look at it you kind of go I

1714
01:07:41,809 --> 01:07:39,420
guess it just comes with the territory

1715
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:41,819
and so to take any of this personal and

1716
01:07:47,809 --> 01:07:44,460
to look at it as that's a reflection

1717
01:07:49,130 --> 01:07:47,819
um you know I I feel as uh you you're

1718
01:07:51,109 --> 01:07:49,140
never going to win that and you don't

1719
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,119
want to agree I made the joke when you

1720
01:07:57,109 --> 01:07:54,960
and um you and and uh and Martin when I

1721
01:07:59,569 --> 01:07:57,119
was there like one or two times ago on

1722
01:08:01,309 --> 01:07:59,579
on podcast UFO I made the joke I said I

1723
01:08:05,390 --> 01:08:01,319
don't trust anyone that has like a five

1724
01:08:06,829 --> 01:08:05,400
on their podcasts you know score I look

1725
01:08:10,370 --> 01:08:06,839
for someone that's got somewhere between

1726
01:08:12,470 --> 01:08:10,380
a 4.3 and a four point you know six

1727
01:08:15,470 --> 01:08:12,480
seven that that's the range where it

1728
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,480
should set then then you know not

1729
01:08:19,610 --> 01:08:17,520
everyone is happy but you're telling

1730
01:08:21,890 --> 01:08:19,620
truth because truths are going to have

1731
01:08:24,349 --> 01:08:21,900
enemies and friends yeah that's just how

1732
01:08:26,150 --> 01:08:24,359
it is that's a really I think that's a

1733
01:08:29,090 --> 01:08:26,160
really really great Point

1734
01:08:30,890 --> 01:08:29,100
um and uh you know we both have met and

1735
01:08:34,130 --> 01:08:30,900
and hung out with Elizondo and his

1736
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:34,140
humanness is uh I think

1737
01:08:39,650 --> 01:08:36,420
um endearing you know

1738
01:08:41,329 --> 01:08:39,660
um in a way it certainly at times even

1739
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:41,339
during those times that John and I were

1740
01:08:45,829 --> 01:08:43,920
arguing makes me feel like protective to

1741
01:08:47,930 --> 01:08:45,839
be honest because you you know when he

1742
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:47,940
first came out and got this and then his

1743
01:08:52,370 --> 01:08:49,980
kids are being affected and seeing this

1744
01:08:54,169 --> 01:08:52,380
terrible stuff on social media about him

1745
01:08:57,530 --> 01:08:54,179
you know that's awful you're like look

1746
01:08:59,390 --> 01:08:57,540
at what this guy has done for this field

1747
01:09:01,550 --> 01:08:59,400
um and people attacking him like this

1748
01:09:03,890 --> 01:09:01,560
it's it's certainly not I don't think

1749
01:09:08,870 --> 01:09:03,900
something he expected and it's not

1750
01:09:10,789 --> 01:09:08,880
deserved yeah I watched miragemen for

1751
01:09:11,930 --> 01:09:10,799
the second or third time recently I

1752
01:09:14,510 --> 01:09:11,940
think it's always good to see it every

1753
01:09:17,090 --> 01:09:14,520
once in a while just to see how

1754
01:09:19,610 --> 01:09:17,100
um you know the the other side of this

1755
01:09:23,150 --> 01:09:19,620
and how boy when you really want to

1756
01:09:25,450 --> 01:09:23,160
believe something and you're into it how

1757
01:09:27,650 --> 01:09:25,460
um you can give over so much of yourself

1758
01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,660
and how you really have to you know I

1759
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,040
always joke I have one foot in the

1760
01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:31,199
rabbit hole and the UFO rabbit Hall I

1761
01:09:34,849 --> 01:09:32,940
don't want to go full rabbit hole that's

1762
01:09:36,410 --> 01:09:34,859
a good idea

1763
01:09:39,169 --> 01:09:36,420
but yeah yeah

1764
01:09:41,090 --> 01:09:39,179
I mean yeah that whole

1765
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:41,100
yeah and that's what's tough and you

1766
01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:43,319
know for for a lot of people and I think

1767
01:09:46,970 --> 01:09:45,179
that's part of what happens too for a

1768
01:09:48,709 --> 01:09:46,980
lot of people that's fine they've got

1769
01:09:51,650 --> 01:09:48,719
their day jobs that have nothing to do

1770
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:51,660
with this they can go rabbit hole diving

1771
01:09:56,510 --> 01:09:54,600
all they want and they can you know have

1772
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:56,520
all of these ideas but for those of us

1773
01:10:02,090 --> 01:09:58,020
that are

1774
01:10:03,650 --> 01:10:02,100
really literally professional ufologists

1775
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:03,660
um we have to be more careful we got to

1776
01:10:08,930 --> 01:10:06,239
be having a thought towards moving the

1777
01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:08,940
ball forward you know and and how that's

1778
01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,100
done and we all take different ideas on

1779
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:13,800
how to do that John with foia you know

1780
01:10:16,130 --> 01:10:14,880
Lou

1781
01:10:18,650 --> 01:10:16,140
um with working with these government

1782
01:10:20,930 --> 01:10:18,660
agencies fortunate for him he he's got a

1783
01:10:23,030 --> 01:10:20,940
background with those agencies and you

1784
01:10:25,729 --> 01:10:23,040
know for seu for example tackling the

1785
01:10:30,169 --> 01:10:25,739
science or with Enigma Labs tackling the

1786
01:10:32,689 --> 01:10:30,179
data analysis uh um but um you know we

1787
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,699
all got to focus on that area but all of

1788
01:10:37,490 --> 01:10:34,920
us have our mind towards moving that

1789
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:37,500
ball forward and all of us you know at

1790
01:10:43,070 --> 01:10:40,080
times every different area makes these

1791
01:10:45,950 --> 01:10:43,080
strides that benefit all of us so I

1792
01:10:48,890 --> 01:10:45,960
think people need to be less uh

1793
01:10:52,010 --> 01:10:48,900
inclusive and or exclusive and be more

1794
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:52,020
inclusive you know appreciate that uh

1795
01:10:56,030 --> 01:10:54,060
everyone's heart is in the right place

1796
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:56,040
uh and they're moving the ball in the

1797
01:11:01,610 --> 01:10:57,540
right place except for the charlatans

1798
01:11:03,290 --> 01:11:01,620
and that you know and and support all of

1799
01:11:05,330 --> 01:11:03,300
the different research even if you don't

1800
01:11:06,830 --> 01:11:05,340
think that's going to be you know that's

1801
01:11:08,510 --> 01:11:06,840
not your cup of tea and you're not going

1802
01:11:11,870 --> 01:11:08,520
to pay attention you know watch every

1803
01:11:13,669 --> 01:11:11,880
podcast in that Arena that's fine but um

1804
01:11:15,530 --> 01:11:13,679
also you don't have to be adversarial

1805
01:11:17,570 --> 01:11:15,540
towards them you can support them and

1806
01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,580
say you know go for it

1807
01:11:22,790 --> 01:11:20,400
um I hope that brings you I hope the uh

1808
01:11:25,550 --> 01:11:22,800
abduction research brings them you know

1809
01:11:28,010 --> 01:11:25,560
and that feel towards uh some

1810
01:11:31,310 --> 01:11:28,020
discoveries it's not the arena that I

1811
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:31,320
work on or have time to work in but I I

1812
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:33,120
wish them the best you know

1813
01:11:38,510 --> 01:11:35,820
that's why I I've really been parking at

1814
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:38,520
the last um four years is with the

1815
01:11:42,530 --> 01:11:41,040
experiencers and going to support groups

1816
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:42,540
and and

1817
01:11:46,550 --> 01:11:44,640
um and you know these are the front line

1818
01:11:49,370 --> 01:11:46,560
people and in my opinion again if we're

1819
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:49,380
talking stage one which is you know

1820
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:51,780
um the witness evidence but a lot of

1821
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:53,580
them have their own physical evidence on

1822
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:55,980
you know marks on their bodies Etc

1823
01:11:59,390 --> 01:11:57,900
um but it's also I think someone I think

1824
01:12:03,430 --> 01:11:59,400
everyone needs to kind of remember that

1825
01:12:07,010 --> 01:12:03,440
no one makes money researching UFOs

1826
01:12:09,649 --> 01:12:07,020
it doesn't happen unless you're tied in

1827
01:12:11,030 --> 01:12:09,659
with an organization that is actively

1828
01:12:13,490 --> 01:12:11,040
going out there and has to pull together

1829
01:12:14,930 --> 01:12:13,500
funding and grants Etc it's not like a

1830
01:12:17,930 --> 01:12:14,940
job that you get out of college and you

1831
01:12:19,550 --> 01:12:17,940
go oh I'll go to this firm right and so

1832
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:19,560
I always say you know these are people

1833
01:12:24,169 --> 01:12:22,020
that have to go through like the same

1834
01:12:26,870 --> 01:12:24,179
thing that non-profits go through in

1835
01:12:29,930 --> 01:12:26,880
order to to really get in and Advance

1836
01:12:31,550 --> 01:12:29,940
this and so you've done both you've done

1837
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:31,560
it where it's been this hobby thing and

1838
01:12:34,850 --> 01:12:32,580
then you've done it where you've turned

1839
01:12:37,010 --> 01:12:34,860
it into this profession and so you know

1840
01:12:40,250 --> 01:12:37,020
my question is you know how how has that

1841
01:12:42,590 --> 01:12:40,260
worked and has it changed you in any way

1842
01:12:44,149 --> 01:12:42,600
since you first got interested in this

1843
01:12:47,750 --> 01:12:44,159
film yeah you know when it was

1844
01:12:49,729 --> 01:12:47,760
Grassroots I was very nice and I loved

1845
01:12:52,850 --> 01:12:49,739
everyone but would I work for the

1846
01:12:55,070 --> 01:12:52,860
corporate world I'm figuring out how I

1847
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,080
could take advantage and exploit every

1848
01:13:01,310 --> 01:12:57,239
other person good that's good just

1849
01:13:02,689 --> 01:13:01,320
kidding oh oh you're no you're like yeah

1850
01:13:06,290 --> 01:13:02,699
no

1851
01:13:09,530 --> 01:13:06,300
um we're being silly again but um

1852
01:13:12,649 --> 01:13:09,540
has it changed me no you know I am I've

1853
01:13:14,570 --> 01:13:12,659
been extremely fortunate in that you

1854
01:13:16,729 --> 01:13:14,580
know the last company I worked for was

1855
01:13:18,950 --> 01:13:16,739
put together by John Rayo

1856
01:13:20,270 --> 01:13:18,960
um just some guy who decided to spend a

1857
01:13:21,709 --> 01:13:20,280
lot of money to figure out what's going

1858
01:13:24,050 --> 01:13:21,719
on with this field did we figure out

1859
01:13:26,510 --> 01:13:24,060
what's going on no but I think that we

1860
01:13:29,090 --> 01:13:26,520
did provide a lot of great information

1861
01:13:31,490 --> 01:13:29,100
especially by taking a journalistic

1862
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:31,500
perspective and you know we were able to

1863
01:13:35,330 --> 01:13:33,540
make a lot of inroad with traditional

1864
01:13:37,010 --> 01:13:35,340
and mainstream science

1865
01:13:40,729 --> 01:13:37,020
um I've got a website out where at least

1866
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:40,739
I've got a partial list of the different

1867
01:13:46,430 --> 01:13:43,620
um um you know network television or

1868
01:13:48,350 --> 01:13:46,440
news network uh or news outlets that

1869
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:48,360
work with us and and it's a long list

1870
01:13:52,250 --> 01:13:50,640
you know that's how Elizondo found out

1871
01:13:54,830 --> 01:13:52,260
about us is that we're recovering this

1872
01:13:56,590 --> 01:13:54,840
in a credible manner or how I started to

1873
01:13:59,750 --> 01:13:56,600
work with Brian Bender out of Politico

1874
01:14:01,850 --> 01:13:59,760
so uh that was you know I I think that

1875
01:14:04,370 --> 01:14:01,860
was great I have John was at the

1876
01:14:06,050 --> 01:14:04,380
conference actually uh he's uh you know

1877
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:06,060
I'll be forever grateful for him for

1878
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:07,260
that

1879
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um now I'm working for a company uh

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01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,199
essentially a tech startup company

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01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:15,840
um and these are Tech startup people

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01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,300
um kind of from the tech Arena and they

1883
01:14:23,689 --> 01:14:20,640
are you know figure hey we need to

1884
01:14:25,729 --> 01:14:23,699
resolve this mystery how do we do it and

1885
01:14:27,649 --> 01:14:25,739
they're working with you know all of the

1886
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:27,659
same big players in this field to say

1887
01:14:31,729 --> 01:14:29,580
what do you need

1888
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:31,739
um and what we've all needed for a long

1889
01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:34,980
time is a large database where we can

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01:14:39,410 --> 01:14:37,260
put all of our data together and then

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01:14:43,130 --> 01:14:39,420
Analyze That tools to analyze it and

1892
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:43,140
using machine learning and AI to do that

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01:14:47,149 --> 01:14:44,580
analysis

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01:14:49,689 --> 01:14:47,159
um so that's what we're doing and on in

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01:14:52,910 --> 01:14:49,699
that you know uh people can go to Enigma

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01:14:56,030 --> 01:14:52,920
labs.io that's our website and we just

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01:14:58,729 --> 01:14:56,040
literally just yesterday posted about

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01:15:01,310 --> 01:14:58,739
three quarters of

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01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:01,320
um about 75 or so articles well maybe

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01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:04,020
about half of the uh what I've been

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01:15:08,810 --> 01:15:06,960
working on which is getting a lot out of

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01:15:11,810 --> 01:15:08,820
great writers freelance writers in this

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01:15:13,490 --> 01:15:11,820
field to write kind of Wikipedia style

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01:15:16,189 --> 01:15:13,500
you know

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01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:16,199
um articles or I would say

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01:15:21,770 --> 01:15:19,080
on all of the different exciting cases

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01:15:23,450 --> 01:15:21,780
uh organizations and groups

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01:15:25,850 --> 01:15:23,460
um to write kind of neutral

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01:15:27,410 --> 01:15:25,860
comprehensive articles to educate all of

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01:15:29,870 --> 01:15:27,420
these people that are getting involved

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01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:29,880
on the history of this topic and I think

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01:15:34,729 --> 01:15:32,880
that's really extremely important

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01:15:37,250 --> 01:15:34,739
um so that you know all of these people

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01:15:39,530 --> 01:15:37,260
coming in can have a place to go to to

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01:15:41,689 --> 01:15:39,540
read up okay what has been done and by

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01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,699
who and so they can understand these

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01:15:46,130 --> 01:15:43,920
people their motivations what they've

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01:15:48,830 --> 01:15:46,140
gone through and how many of these

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01:15:53,689 --> 01:15:48,840
people are highly highly credible like

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01:15:55,550 --> 01:15:53,699
Dr heineck or Dr valet or

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01:15:58,310 --> 01:15:55,560
um you know any of these other

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01:16:02,270 --> 01:15:58,320
characters that have been doing great

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01:16:04,550 --> 01:16:02,280
work over the years so um

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01:16:07,370 --> 01:16:04,560
so yeah so I'm really excited about that

1925
01:16:10,310 --> 01:16:07,380
and um and to be honest we've got this

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01:16:12,770 --> 01:16:10,320
post blog post called transparency for

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01:16:15,229 --> 01:16:12,780
the data privacy for the people because

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01:16:18,110 --> 01:16:15,239
we're very protective over our employees

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01:16:20,689 --> 01:16:18,120
because people already know who I am but

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01:16:22,970 --> 01:16:20,699
uh we don't want

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01:16:24,350 --> 01:16:22,980
um the Elizondo or the big low effect to

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01:16:27,350 --> 01:16:24,360
happen you know when these people come

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01:16:29,270 --> 01:16:27,360
in and get demonized and attacked um you

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01:16:31,370 --> 01:16:29,280
know we don't want um so we're

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01:16:33,229 --> 01:16:31,380
protective and most of them you won't

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01:16:35,390 --> 01:16:33,239
find out who they are and unless I guess

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01:16:38,149 --> 01:16:35,400
they decide to or down the road

1938
01:16:39,770 --> 01:16:38,159
um that happens but uh most of our staff

1939
01:16:40,669 --> 01:16:39,780
are keeping their names Anonymous in

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01:16:43,729 --> 01:16:40,679
that

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01:16:47,030 --> 01:16:43,739
um and to protect them from this sort of

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01:16:48,770 --> 01:16:47,040
thing so uh but it's exciting and I've

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01:16:50,090 --> 01:16:48,780
always said this with seu when people

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01:16:52,010 --> 01:16:50,100
have complained because some of our

1945
01:16:54,050 --> 01:16:52,020
scientists at SCU for over the years

1946
01:16:55,910 --> 01:16:54,060
have remained Anonymous and some people

1947
01:16:58,010 --> 01:16:55,920
have said oh they should be out and it's

1948
01:17:00,350 --> 01:16:58,020
like well you know what would you rather

1949
01:17:01,729 --> 01:17:00,360
have their name or their expertise I

1950
01:17:03,770 --> 01:17:01,739
would rather have their expertise

1951
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:03,780
because with their expertise we have

1952
01:17:07,550 --> 01:17:05,400
chemists we have you know

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01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:07,560
anthropologists we have

1954
01:17:12,410 --> 01:17:10,080
um uh geologists we have a lot more

1955
01:17:14,510 --> 01:17:12,420
scientists involved

1956
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,520
um if they can feel secure in that it's

1957
01:17:20,450 --> 01:17:17,280
not going to affect their careers and uh

1958
01:17:22,370 --> 01:17:20,460
the taboo hasn't gone so over the years

1959
01:17:24,169 --> 01:17:22,380
hopefully we can completely get rid of

1960
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:24,179
that taboo and then people won't feel

1961
01:17:29,390 --> 01:17:27,300
like they have to remain anonymous to

1962
01:17:30,830 --> 01:17:29,400
work in this field but I would rather

1963
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:30,840
have the people working in this field

1964
01:17:35,330 --> 01:17:32,880
than not so

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01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:35,340
um it's exciting it's really exciting I

1966
01:17:38,750 --> 01:17:37,199
think we're making great strides I hope

1967
01:17:41,330 --> 01:17:38,760
people go look at the site and see what

1968
01:17:43,250 --> 01:17:41,340
we're up to over the next few months

1969
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:43,260
they're going to see more and more and I

1970
01:17:48,530 --> 01:17:44,880
think what we're going to be known for

1971
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,540
is uh data analysis and providing tools

1972
01:17:53,510 --> 01:17:51,120
to researchers even citizen scientists

1973
01:17:55,970 --> 01:17:53,520
even the people listening to podcasts

1974
01:17:59,390 --> 01:17:55,980
now you're going to have tools largely

1975
01:18:01,370 --> 01:17:59,400
free tools at your fingertips to do more

1976
01:18:02,810 --> 01:18:01,380
research than we've ever been able to do

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01:18:04,729 --> 01:18:02,820
before

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01:18:07,490 --> 01:18:04,739
um so I'm really really excited about it

1979
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,500
well just speaking for myself I can't do

1980
01:18:12,649 --> 01:18:10,560
all the research that SCU is doing and

1981
01:18:13,970 --> 01:18:12,659
so I'm really grateful for them being

1982
01:18:17,090 --> 01:18:13,980
out there and the work that you're doing

1983
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:17,100
with them I I'm kind of like I you know

1984
01:18:21,410 --> 01:18:19,500
if I can you know chip in and you know

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01:18:25,070 --> 01:18:21,420
donate

1986
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:25,080
um I will sure and and so and yeah and

1987
01:18:29,330 --> 01:18:27,179
we we can talk about um we can tell them

1988
01:18:31,070 --> 01:18:29,340
where they can go for that again

1989
01:18:33,470 --> 01:18:31,080
um but my feeling is these people are

1990
01:18:34,850 --> 01:18:33,480
doing this they're they're doing you

1991
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:34,860
know the work out there that we'd like

1992
01:18:39,229 --> 01:18:36,420
to see be done I'm not gonna

1993
01:18:40,490 --> 01:18:39,239
particularly ask you know who exactly is

1994
01:18:42,229 --> 01:18:40,500
doing that because some people you know

1995
01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,239
some mad scientists like to work in

1996
01:18:46,250 --> 01:18:44,159
their lab and not be known and we have

1997
01:18:48,890 --> 01:18:46,260
to kind of respect that process right as

1998
01:18:52,550 --> 01:18:48,900
well we're not mad yeah oh they're not

1999
01:18:55,250 --> 01:18:52,560
they're just we're not mad that's a joke

2000
01:18:57,470 --> 01:18:55,260
from yes from uh Network Young

2001
01:18:59,930 --> 01:18:57,480
Frankenstein I think oh was it Young

2002
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:59,940
Frankenstein we're not a mad scientist

2003
01:19:07,610 --> 01:19:01,920
was always saying when he was ever he

2004
01:19:14,090 --> 01:19:11,030
um so uh what is next for uh Alejandro

2005
01:19:16,850 --> 01:19:14,100
as we uh wrap up here what do you yeah

2006
01:19:18,669 --> 01:19:16,860
what is next I think people can go to uh

2007
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:18,679
like I said

2008
01:19:23,390 --> 01:19:21,600
enigmalabs.io to see what I'm up to and

2009
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:23,400
see the articles that I've I've put

2010
01:19:27,530 --> 01:19:25,080
together or had people put together

2011
01:19:28,729 --> 01:19:27,540
we've got a lot of Freelancers and I

2012
01:19:31,370 --> 01:19:28,739
want to use their names right now just

2013
01:19:33,410 --> 01:19:31,380
in case uh I don't think they would yeah

2014
01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:33,420
there you go I don't think you would

2015
01:19:35,689 --> 01:19:34,800
want to

2016
01:19:37,250 --> 01:19:35,699
um

2017
01:19:38,750 --> 01:19:37,260
you know we've allowed them they could

2018
01:19:40,910 --> 01:19:38,760
share their names if they want so we'll

2019
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:40,920
see I would leave that up to them but

2020
01:19:43,850 --> 01:19:42,179
some of the great people in the field

2021
01:19:45,229 --> 01:19:43,860
and then some freelance writers maybe

2022
01:19:47,570 --> 01:19:45,239
you've never heard of who are just

2023
01:19:49,189 --> 01:19:47,580
excellent researchers and writers so I

2024
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:49,199
think people will really enjoy those

2025
01:19:53,870 --> 01:19:51,780
articles like any article that's the

2026
01:19:56,270 --> 01:19:53,880
thing that I found with open minds the

2027
01:19:58,970 --> 01:19:56,280
more neutral our article was the more

2028
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:58,980
controversial it was because then both

2029
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:01,140
sides are like that doesn't represent

2030
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:03,420
you know how real this is and Skeptics

2031
01:20:07,550 --> 01:20:05,820
are like that doesn't represent how fake

2032
01:20:09,890 --> 01:20:07,560
this is but that's kind of a fun thing

2033
01:20:12,169 --> 01:20:09,900
because I think that uh all of this will

2034
01:20:13,850 --> 01:20:12,179
generate a lot of conversation

2035
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:13,860
um back and forth and and we'll see how

2036
01:20:17,450 --> 01:20:15,060
that goes

2037
01:20:20,390 --> 01:20:17,460
um so what I guess from our perspective

2038
01:20:22,910 --> 01:20:20,400
we will try to remain uh neutral and I

2039
01:20:26,390 --> 01:20:22,920
think I have a pretty good thumb on on

2040
01:20:29,450 --> 01:20:26,400
neutrality in this field so um luckily I

2041
01:20:30,709 --> 01:20:29,460
get to be the determiner for uh that

2042
01:20:32,930 --> 01:20:30,719
when it comes to these articles and I

2043
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:32,940
think people agree uh so go take a look

2044
01:20:39,610 --> 01:20:36,480
and then of course at explore SCU dot

2045
01:20:42,470 --> 01:20:39,620
org where the SEO is doing work explore

2046
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:42,480
scu.org we're doing lots of cool stuff

2047
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:44,699
we've got a lot of studies going on but

2048
01:20:49,070 --> 01:20:46,679
one of the really exciting things that

2049
01:20:52,850 --> 01:20:49,080
we've been doing in the background is on

2050
01:20:55,130 --> 01:20:52,860
networking and introducing people so

2051
01:20:57,050 --> 01:20:55,140
um you know a lot of a big deal was made

2052
01:21:00,290 --> 01:20:57,060
about some of the people at our uh

2053
01:21:02,990 --> 01:21:00,300
conference like uh space force and some

2054
01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:03,000
other agencies where we're at our

2055
01:21:07,729 --> 01:21:04,679
conference to kind of see what are these

2056
01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:07,739
scientists up to and the SCU you'll have

2057
01:21:14,209 --> 01:21:11,400
to remember are people who are

2058
01:21:16,729 --> 01:21:14,219
scientists who some of whom have worked

2059
01:21:18,350 --> 01:21:16,739
on government projects some of whom who

2060
01:21:21,229 --> 01:21:18,360
worked on OS app you know people like

2061
01:21:22,490 --> 01:21:21,239
Eric Davis or Hal put off or or other

2062
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,500
scientists who are part of our

2063
01:21:26,090 --> 01:21:24,719
organization so that's why it's a good

2064
01:21:28,310 --> 01:21:26,100
place for them to go because these are

2065
01:21:30,290 --> 01:21:28,320
the people they either would have hired

2066
01:21:32,450 --> 01:21:30,300
for these projects or have hired for

2067
01:21:35,570 --> 01:21:32,460
these projects so they get to come and

2068
01:21:37,729 --> 01:21:35,580
network and see what we're up to I think

2069
01:21:40,010 --> 01:21:37,739
you know we're very proud of being able

2070
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:40,020
to network people together and our

2071
01:21:44,689 --> 01:21:41,940
Nimitz paper has gotten a lot of

2072
01:21:47,149 --> 01:21:44,699
attention uh Aguadilla case papers

2073
01:21:49,490 --> 01:21:47,159
gotten a lot of attention and uh we're

2074
01:21:51,470 --> 01:21:49,500
continuing to write more papers and do

2075
01:21:53,330 --> 01:21:51,480
more uh analysis

2076
01:21:55,550 --> 01:21:53,340
um and in fact

2077
01:21:58,310 --> 01:21:55,560
at Enigma Labs we're working closely

2078
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,320
with SCU so we hope to have some joint

2079
01:22:02,689 --> 01:22:00,719
projects coming out where you know we

2080
01:22:04,149 --> 01:22:02,699
can provide some machine learning and

2081
01:22:08,709 --> 01:22:04,159
have our computers

2082
01:22:11,630 --> 01:22:08,719
analyze cases uh you know ingest uh

2083
01:22:13,669 --> 01:22:11,640
thousands and thousands of cases and

2084
01:22:15,890 --> 01:22:13,679
then analyze them and then let

2085
01:22:17,450 --> 01:22:15,900
scientists know here's the data set of

2086
01:22:19,310 --> 01:22:17,460
good cases that you want to pay

2087
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:19,320
attention to that we can do some

2088
01:22:23,270 --> 01:22:21,120
correlations to figure out what's going

2089
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,280
on and then that's when the scientists

2090
01:22:27,950 --> 01:22:25,320
take over and some of the manual work

2091
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:27,960
has to start and uh you know we've got

2092
01:22:32,149 --> 01:22:29,760
data scientists on our team that are

2093
01:22:34,550 --> 01:22:32,159
working with seu so that's really fun

2094
01:22:36,169 --> 01:22:34,560
because now I feel like you know in the

2095
01:22:38,570 --> 01:22:36,179
background we've already become part of

2096
01:22:43,669 --> 01:22:38,580
that uh scientific Community that's

2097
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:43,679
working on UAP studies and uh and so

2098
01:22:47,630 --> 01:22:45,440
we're going to be able to you know

2099
01:22:49,850 --> 01:22:47,640
customize our tools for those

2100
01:22:52,550 --> 01:22:49,860
researchers so they can make even more

2101
01:22:55,370 --> 01:22:52,560
discoveries more quickly and hopefully

2102
01:22:56,930 --> 01:22:55,380
bigger discoveries in the future and I

2103
01:23:00,229 --> 01:22:56,940
really feel that we're going to be able

2104
01:23:02,750 --> 01:23:00,239
to provide the tools to make some really

2105
01:23:04,310 --> 01:23:02,760
uh significant discoveries in the near

2106
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:04,320
future

2107
01:23:08,870 --> 01:23:05,280
um

2108
01:23:11,630 --> 01:23:08,880
briefly as we wrap up here what what you

2109
01:23:14,209 --> 01:23:11,640
guys are doing with Enigma Labs is

2110
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,219
putting together a database

2111
01:23:19,010 --> 01:23:16,800
um Jacques valet's also got a database I

2112
01:23:22,610 --> 01:23:19,020
don't know if his database how readily

2113
01:23:23,510 --> 01:23:22,620
available that is but also we're working

2114
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:23,520
with him

2115
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:26,100
okay that's great so yeah that answers

2116
01:23:29,870 --> 01:23:27,840
that okay because I was yeah because

2117
01:23:32,810 --> 01:23:29,880
then everyone's you know working from

2118
01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:32,820
the same resources same you know Hub

2119
01:23:36,890 --> 01:23:34,920
basically Network where you can do that

2120
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:36,900
in addition to when the new cases come

2121
01:23:40,189 --> 01:23:38,699
in you can look at algorithms and go

2122
01:23:42,649 --> 01:23:40,199
well this kind of fits this and also

2123
01:23:43,970 --> 01:23:42,659
fits that what can we learn exactly and

2124
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:43,980
you know that's what we've done at the

2125
01:23:48,169 --> 01:23:46,080
SCU we've worked we've been open and we

2126
01:23:50,450 --> 01:23:48,179
work with everyone and uh you know

2127
01:23:52,550 --> 01:23:50,460
that's what I've brought to Enigma Labs

2128
01:23:55,250 --> 01:23:52,560
as uh the head of research and content

2129
01:23:56,689 --> 01:23:55,260
is my number one goal is you know let's

2130
01:23:58,910 --> 01:23:56,699
talk to the people who have been doing

2131
01:24:01,130 --> 01:23:58,920
this for decades let's talk to the

2132
01:24:03,950 --> 01:24:01,140
Jacque valleys and mark radikers the

2133
01:24:06,050 --> 01:24:03,960
David marlers the class you know in

2134
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:06,060
Sweden you know let's talk to all of

2135
01:24:11,270 --> 01:24:08,460
these people get their input get their

2136
01:24:13,250 --> 01:24:11,280
involvement and work together to

2137
01:24:15,770 --> 01:24:13,260
um you know all work in the same

2138
01:24:17,450 --> 01:24:15,780
direction and work together on all of

2139
01:24:19,790 --> 01:24:17,460
this and that's what we're doing and so

2140
01:24:22,130 --> 01:24:19,800
it's it's really exciting

2141
01:24:23,330 --> 01:24:22,140
um and uh you know I want to do all of

2142
01:24:26,030 --> 01:24:23,340
these people proud I want to provide

2143
01:24:28,550 --> 01:24:26,040
them with the sort of data and

2144
01:24:30,950 --> 01:24:28,560
information they want in the manner they

2145
01:24:34,669 --> 01:24:30,960
need it and so that's what we're working

2146
01:24:36,530 --> 01:24:34,679
hard to do great well um the one thing

2147
01:24:38,330 --> 01:24:36,540
that I feel like I would love to see

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inserted into this and I feel like

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you're really really good at is uh

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because many a time I've come to you and

2151
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I've said hey so I just heard this thing

2152
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blah blah and you go yeah I heard the

2153
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:47,280
same thing so here's the problem with

2154
01:24:52,250 --> 01:24:50,460
that and I'm like Ah that's right and so

2155
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the one thing that I always hearken back

2156
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to is I had a really great teacher

2157
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um who who taught us

2158
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:01,260
um truth is dynamic on many levels

2159
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it's it's never just that one thing it

2160
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by its existence there are other things

2161
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that that relates and other people take

2162
01:25:12,110 --> 01:25:10,860
it in differently it's you know colors

2163
01:25:14,930 --> 01:25:12,120
people don't you know you've got

2164
01:25:17,030 --> 01:25:14,940
someone's colorblind and sounds Etc so

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we all kind of have to create a little

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space for that truth being Dynamic

2167
01:25:25,250 --> 01:25:22,920
that's a great point you know because I

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talked about journalists intelligence

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and scientists work with all the with

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the data differently but one key is that

2171
01:25:37,189 --> 01:25:34,140
data the better the the results are

2172
01:25:40,010 --> 01:25:37,199
going to be better with pure data and

2173
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,020
all of those Arenas need to make sure to

2174
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have a strong commitment to truth and

2175
01:25:49,910 --> 01:25:46,520
facts and not a strong commitment to

2176
01:25:51,649 --> 01:25:49,920
predisposed ideas about the topic and

2177
01:25:55,310 --> 01:25:51,659
you know the longer that I've been

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01:25:57,350 --> 01:25:55,320
involved the less I have hard Set uh

2179
01:25:59,570 --> 01:25:57,360
opinions and ideas about what's going on

2180
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because they serve no purpose except for

2181
01:26:03,350 --> 01:26:01,020
me to get disappointed down the road

2182
01:26:05,870 --> 01:26:03,360
when I I find out I'm wrong you know so

2183
01:26:08,689 --> 01:26:05,880
it's better just to purely follow the

2184
01:26:10,370 --> 01:26:08,699
data and purely stick to the facts and

2185
01:26:12,410 --> 01:26:10,380
then put those together and see what

2186
01:26:14,410 --> 01:26:12,420
they build and the story that they build

2187
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,420
will be the truth and it'll be you know

2188
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:16,800
science I think is a little better on

2189
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:19,260
this but uh it'll be you know our

2190
01:26:23,629 --> 01:26:21,120
reality as it is which is what we're

2191
01:26:26,090 --> 01:26:23,639
trying to figure out and um and we got

2192
01:26:27,110 --> 01:26:26,100
to have a little bit of faith and and I

2193
01:26:30,110 --> 01:26:27,120
think we can have that through

2194
01:26:32,090 --> 01:26:30,120
experience that whatever the answer uh

2195
01:26:33,890 --> 01:26:32,100
whatever the truth we put together it's

2196
01:26:36,350 --> 01:26:33,900
going to be fascinating it's going to be

2197
01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:36,360
incredible and we're going to

2198
01:26:39,830 --> 01:26:39,120
um all be enriched by that information I

2199
01:26:42,110 --> 01:26:39,840
think

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I agree 100 and that's a perfect note to

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leave on Alejandro thank you so much say

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01:26:50,570 --> 01:26:47,760
hi to Karen and um continued success

2203
01:26:52,370 --> 01:26:50,580
with dude so many things that uh you're

2204
01:26:54,470 --> 01:26:52,380
you're working on and I know they're

2205
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:54,480
benefiting as much as you are so look

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01:26:57,530 --> 01:26:55,679
forward to seeing you next time in

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01:27:00,649 --> 01:26:57,540
person and

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01:27:02,930 --> 01:27:00,659
um thank you everyone for uh for tuning

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01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,940
in uh next week again we have John

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Burroughs who will be here and I will be

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01:27:11,209 --> 01:27:08,400
um uh hosting with um Martin Martin

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01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:11,219
hopefully will be back 100 I'm expecting

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01:27:15,649 --> 01:27:13,800
he will and uh again thank you everyone

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01:27:16,750 --> 01:27:15,659
for checking out the show and we will

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see you next week

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thank you